Voltenion wrote::? I've heard many things about Jesus... Like that he was just a great man, or that he was a liar, and even that he was a lunatic... But that he didn't exist? It has been proved he did.
How would hundreds of people "create" a story about a guy who didn't exist, and all of them managed to make the story equal to their neighbour? Coincidence? Why did a gigantic empire accepted a completly new religion 'created' by a man who didn't exist? It did happen.
I'm sorry, but that argument doesn't hold. Something similar could be said in regards to the Egyptian Gods. How comes thousands upon thousands drew depictions of Osiris, Apis, Ra and the rest of 'em and it not be true? All these people, spanning wide areas came up with the same stories. All carved in stone. It must be true?
Basically, pretty much the same could be said for pretty much any religion with a substantial textual record behind it. Or even Harry Potter. Just 'cos it's recorded, and even though those records seem accurate and complimentary (depsite the likelyhood of their later adaptation to seem so) doesn't mean it's true.
Personally, I'm happy to concede the potential (and not all that unlikely) existence of a figure who became known as the Jesus of the New Testament, and the Koran. For the same reason I'm happy to concede the existence of Buddha. Or even Odysseus. Firstly, most well-known and established mythologies are likely to have some basis, secondly, there's often enough recorded evidence otherwise.
However, this certainly doesn't then conclude that Jesus was the son of God and a miracle worker. The same way Odysseus was unlikely the killer of a cyclops and survivor of the sirens.
On another note, I'm prepared to concede that Jesus Christ, and even 'God' are real. In the same way that Ra, Osiris, Zeus, Thor, Shiva and the Shinto spirits (and Harry Potter) are real. Though they may be socio-cultural constructs, their varied importance and significance for the everyday lives of adherents and non-believers is such that despite their highly doubtful objective reality, the social ramifications are such that they certainly have real effects on people's lives, and are powerful lay-and-institutional tools in networks of power. They are most certainly real in that sense.
In fact, I'm much more concerned about challenging this reality than appealing to rationalist ideals of objective knowledge. As such appeals mean little to the faithful, and I stand by critiques of positivism and the scientific method (that being said, although scientific knowledge is certainly socially constructed, I'm not prepared to accept the relativity of all forms of knowledge, and would contend that, despite the valid criticisms, scientific attempts at rational and objective knowledge production are the best forms of generating knowledge of the physical world that we have).
As such, I would much rather critique the various institutions and common-knowledges of religion which serve to variously indoctrinate young people, maintain unbalanced and unequal hierarchies of power, entrench and exacerbate various uneven topologies of gender, sexual and racial relations, encourage xenophobic and otherwise divisive international Otherings, are mobilised for atrocities such as war, torture and persecution in many forms, and fosters potentially very dangerous ignorance and uncritical acceptance of authority.
But, anyway, I digress.
Who believes evolutionism here? *raises his hand* I am willing to accept that the Bible was created as a story in order to prove a point and some of it based on fact and exagerated, but much being mostly just made up.
... And I was pretty sure about the 'everyone can create his own gods' thing. But I might be wrong, doubt it though...Maybe the guy who told me about it lied to me, but he had no reason... If you are hindu then you have probably more trustfull people to ask about this things, 
do it and tell me what you found out? I'm curious about this...
I've heard many things about Jesus... Like that he was just a great man, or that he was a liar, and even that he was a lunatic... But that he didn't exist? It has been proved he did.
