The time limit.

[rklenseth]

Oh, BTW, Cantr does have server problems indeed, and I agree that this is not fun. But please remember that Cantr is a FREE game, managed by volunteers. The server is payed from gifts by players. A real perfect server (if possible) will cost a lot of money, which we just do not have. But still, are some people around who remember the server problems we had in the past? Remembering that period, there is not a reason to complain now...

Maybe we can kidnap a millionaire and make him pay for a better Cantr server and maybe at the same time make him play Cantr and get addicted so he keeps paying for better improvements and giving money to Cantr.

Jos, would this be something I should send to the Advertisement Department as well? I mean it brings in money and better improvements so it is part of advertising.

[rklenseth]

XBL, people can get addicted to their PC. And it is dangerous

Screen-addictions (pc-addiction and tv-addiction) could cause damage to the health of people and it's more likely to find those addicts playing Cantr then looking up the latest news.

I think some people that are playing Cantr are not aware of the dangers of sitting behind your pc of your tv the whole day. These people should go out more, find some fresh air. This will limit the chances of sickness.

Next to the health problem we've some players who are missing some social-skills by just playing games all day. Though it's nice to know how to make friends in Cantr, it won't help you in the real world

So I think we should keep the time limit. 200 minutes a day is already far to much, looking from the medical point of view. I don't say that we should change the limit to 150 or 100 (though it might be better for some people), some days you just need you 200 minutes. Other days only 10.

So I say, keep it like it is... why change a good working thing

Who needs social skills anyways?

So you are telling me that I won't get sick if I don't use the computer and the tv? What if I never get sick in the first place and I use the tv and computer quite often? The only time I get sick are really annoying colds or the 24 hour virus that makes you throw up but those are rare and might get one or the other only once a year. Well, I do get outside and I do live in the wilderness so there isn't all that much pollution around here so maybe that is what keeps me healthy.

Oh, and they cancelled school today. Imagine that. They cancelled school because it was too cold out. That is a first. Well, it is like 30 below 0 counting windshield and all. They say you can get frostbite in 5 minutes out there and hyperthermia in 10. I'm going out to test that theory. Be back in a few.

[new.vogue.nightmare]

Next to the health problem we've some players who are missing some social-skills by just playing games all day. Though it's nice to know how to make friends in Cantr, it won't help you in the real world

I would just like everyone to know that my social skills improved after I witnessed social interactions in Cantr. I still cannot talk to people well, but my vocabulary has increased to more than, *grunt*, *shrug*, and "Fxxx yourself, asshole." :D:D


Oh, and if the time limit's gone and the code's streamlined significantly to the point where I no longer have painful experiences with the lag, I might just go buy a server for you guys in a year or so, k? I might go hungry, but it'll be worth it ^_^

[XBL]

In fact, I just spoke to him on MSN. A real conversation .

Jochem

[new.vogue.nightmare]

Oh, I forgot, Some other useful phrases in my vocabulary were *bite*, *snarl*, and *throw against a wall and punch repeatedly* ^^

After all, the only way a little freako like me could survive high school was by scaring everyone into submission ^_____^ That's why I joined a gang!

[David]

It's impossible for me to be a full time student. I have illnesses that keep me from doing that. So I go to school over the Internet--and that takes around 2 or 3 hours a day. After that, I'm at home, by myself, with nothing to do. I play Cantr because I feel like I have a purpose. I have two friends in real life. I leave the house once a week. If it were up to me, none of this would have happened, I wouldn't have to go to school over the Internet, I wouldn't have to be antisocial, I wouldn't have to play Cantr. But it did. And there's nothing I can do to change it. If I could "have a life", I would. So I really don't appriciate you preaching for me to do something productive, when there is nothing productive for me to do. Living in a town with less than 5,000 people total, the majority of which are close-minded and ignorant, where everyone knows that you have mental illnesses and thinks you're an insane freak and makes fun of you, isn't really a reason for me to go outside and do something with my life at this point in time, thank you very much.

I hope that wasn't directed at me, if you remember my caveat: people who aren't sick all the time... Plus, I'm not using it to bash someone over the head with like the other person was, talking about productive time et cetra...

I'm lucky where I live, if I want rural, no problem, if I want city, D.C. is 30 minutes a way, if I want suburb... well its all over the place, if I want small town, we have that to. So I am in a neat situation, I think so any way. I don't even have to drive my car to D.C. if I don't want to I can get a round trip for $7.00 and go anywhere in D.C. I want. Plus I kind of live in a Semi-rural area. I can get away from people to. Baltimore is only about hour and 15 minutes away... Driving fast I live only 4 hours from New York... my friend said he made it there in 3 hours in the middle of the night. Of course Philly isn't far away, or I can go to rural west virginia or pennsylvania... also not to far away. To top it all off I live about a mile or so from the Chesapeake Bay. If I want to go to the Ocean I only live about 3 hours away from it. Not everyone can have all this and live close enough to go to the nations capitol whenever they want to... so I have empathy for your situation. Your opportunities are a bit slimmer I suppose.

[new.vogue.nightmare]

I live on a college campus where nothing happens and I don't have a car so my only transportation is my girlfriend. Who is currently in Virginia thank you all. And if I spent ALLLLLL my time studying I would go insane and start killing people again.

[David]

You can't leave the campus? Vogue goes to Military School because he killed people... How is solitary? lol j/k

[David]

I still can't believe I can go to the new Library at Alexandria basically anytime I want to. (Library of Congress)

[west]

he would, too

I personally don't run into time limit problems much,

and unlike you n00bs (joke) I remember when server problems REALLY sucked. This is still heaven in comparison.

Besides, everyone knows that the last thing you want to do to an addiction is up your dosage.

[new.vogue.nightmare]

I could always vote 1, too ^^ I mean, why help more activity come to Cantr if I can't be on to experience it?

[David]

ALSO people please stop thinking what I wrote about addiction HAS anything to do with my justification for possible accumulation instead of outright removal of time limit. But someone else raised addiction to, so if you are addressing them that's a different story.

Basically the reason I put down a comprimise solution is not because I care too much about it either way. The reality here is we are dealing with people not just ideas. The vote seems to be about 50/50. What do you do with that if you do anything at all? Compromise. I don't care if half the people want their to be or not be a time limit because pink elephants fly around the moon.

The deal is that the constituency is split, so you compromise if you can't convince others to your viewpoint. The important thing to remember about real actions and changes is that the supposed superiority of an idea such as no time limit means nothing if half the constituency disagrees with it unless there is some sort of even-handed deal. Again we are dealing with people not just ideas. If life were a vaccuum than the best idea _might_ (even then groupthink can take over) win but alas we don't live in a hoover.

Also, based on what Jos said, one of the only ones who has contributed so far with any concrete knowledge dealing with coding and database issues that are Cantr-specific, it may be best that no change is made. Which is a lot easier than changing it at all. Many of the arguments on both sides have been dispelled it seems... so it comes down to people, and basically Jos' and the team's decision.

50/50 plus a Jos veto = very unlikely that a change will occur.

[sammigurl61190]

It was directed at that idiot Drew--not you, David.

[David]

oh ok I don't like to make people cry.

[west]

I do!