No RL Language area? Make up our own?

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UloDeTero
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Postby UloDeTero » Sat Apr 15, 2006 4:57 pm

I like this idea. However, it throws up a whole load of questions and complications.

Firstly, and most obviously, the whole game is text-based, therefore this new world would have to be played in an existing language, which could influence things. Unless there is some kind of graphical or emoticon-based system of RPing, there'd need to be some outside language entering the mix, even if only in the form of emotes. Ideally, everything in this area should be in the new language.

Secondly, we need to consider how the language will develop. Personally, I hate the idea of "Pick up object, make up word, okay thats what its called". If everyone does that, then everyone will have his own private language that no-one else understands. There needs to be some kind of reasoning behind the language. Why would a carrot be called 'Blergh' but a potato be called 'Huinga'? What reasons are there for certain sounds to be associated with certain objects and concepts? How did words develop in real life?

It just seems to me that creating a new language, especially as part of a 'simulation' would involve more than just assigning random words to objects.
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Postby AngelSpice » Sat Apr 15, 2006 5:29 pm

It's happening......somewhere.........that's all I can say.
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Postby TatteredShoeLace » Sat Apr 15, 2006 6:57 pm

I know where its happening.

What I don't like is Mascara Black in Kwor who talks gibberish and then proceeds to hand me a note with her translations. I don't want to play baby-talk, so that char will probably not respond to her junk. I don't see the point in random chars making up languages just so that some people will pay attention to them and make life more difficult.

The place with the unique language is different, as everyone speaks it.
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Postby Dee » Sat Apr 15, 2006 10:02 pm

So is THAT why she and another couple of people speak that language??

That's NEAT!!!
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Postby TatteredShoeLace » Sat Apr 15, 2006 10:28 pm

I'm assuming you know who I mean. Mascara Black is nothing but a nuisance in my mind.

The group is different.
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Postby formerly known as hf » Sat Apr 15, 2006 10:38 pm

I like the idea behind the alip language Mascara etc have been using, but it really doesn't work unless every character plays along with it. It also, make no real sense in the cantr world.

What I do really like though, as I've seen elsewhere, is the use of 'local' place names as a basis for an English variant. whilst Mascara Black & Co's 'language' smells of player descisions forked into the game, with no reflection on the Cantr world itself, the use of 'wus' to mean west, or nhralls / hills etc etc makes much more sense, is much more believable, and has an actual root in the Cantr environment.
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Postby TatteredShoeLace » Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:00 pm

As I've been saying, Mascara is not a part of that group. She merely talks using the occasional made up words and then hands people notes explaining her jibberish. It's just slowing down how quickly I can process what she wants.
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Postby sanchez » Sun Apr 16, 2006 1:22 am

I understand Mascara fine, and find her amusing. It's clearly English she's speaking, just her own idiolect. Good effort, whoever you are.
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Postby TatteredShoeLace » Sun Apr 16, 2006 4:14 am

I don't like it. I'd rather deal with a mute.....or a guy who used to Moooooo after most of his sentences. :wink:
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Postby goitre » Sun Apr 16, 2006 6:22 am

I wonder if the person who plays Mascara forgot to tick the box labelled:

[x] Believes in a TatteredShoeLace-centric Cantrverse.
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Postby TatteredShoeLace » Sun Apr 16, 2006 6:27 am

Try adding random jarble to your everyday talk and see how well you do in getting a job. Unless its selling oranges under the freeway.
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Postby Agar » Sun Apr 16, 2006 8:12 am

If a herring moving at the speed of light intersects a mass mad of mostly process chicken parts, what is the core temperature of the yield?

You're right, that didn't help anything when I did that at work. :lol:
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Postby TatteredShoeLace » Sun Apr 16, 2006 3:48 pm

:) Even Agar managed to used real words. Agar, tomorrow simple walk up to them and proclaim: "Jeje! Ten times the day plus one! The redliks are in gretoptop!"

When I started playing, here's the tick boxes I say andI chose:

[x] English playing area
[ ] Polish playing area
[ ] French playing area
[ ] English jibba jabba nonsense

I'm like 79% sure that its now a CRB. Her character is using prior knowledge of babytalk.
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Postby fishfin » Fri Apr 28, 2006 4:24 am

The problem with this idea is how do you decide on a word for like taxes without using an already exsistant language? or kill without killing someone? or concepts like hate, love...?

I don't think it's a very good idea.
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Postby Okud » Fri Apr 28, 2006 7:14 am

fishfin wrote:The problem with this idea is how do you decide on a word for like taxes without using an already exsistant language? or kill without killing someone? or concepts like hate, love...?

I don't think it's a very good idea.


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