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Postby ephiroll » Sat Dec 27, 2003 3:44 am

creepyguyinblack wrote:I don't understand the OOC hatred some players have towards the Lad Empire. It is a fictional game, but some people seem to be quite angry over Lad. This game is about society experiments, I see Lad as one of the few original governments in the game and great fun to play in, its rigidness gives it culture and identity to the people.


Yeah, I've always wondered about it also, the first char I had there was killed by Alexi and his goons in the days when we couldn't use weapons but there was an error in the combat system allowing you to kill a person by punching them to death...at any rate, Lad is probly the most interesting place in the game, no matter how boring every other place may be at any given time, you can always bet that you don't have to wait long for something interesting to happen in Lad. As for anyone who thinks that Lad is ran by people who are "stupid and incompetant", I would like you to name just ONE other place in Cantr that has held as much power and land for as long as the Lad Empire which has been around since about 200 or so, thing is no one can, because there isn't any other place, and I also seriously doubt that any other town in Cantr has such a high percentage of chars ran by experianced players, I would name a few, but that would give them away, but I will say that there are at least 5 players with more then a year of cantr under their belt who have chars in high positions in Lad.
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Postby g1asswa1ker » Sat Dec 27, 2003 3:52 am

LAD is only good for those people aready grant a little freedom or power.

Not to say LAD doesn't have it's qualities it's just not a fun place for some people to RP in.


And yes this from the one who wishes with all his heart that LAD would parish from the lands of cantr.
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Postby rklenseth » Sat Dec 27, 2003 3:52 am

Well, I think most people know that I play Sester Gartaf and I have a little over a year. So were you referring to me as one of them, Jerry?
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Postby g1asswa1ker » Sat Dec 27, 2003 3:54 am

You can even let my post sit for 5 second before posting over it... :evil:
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Postby rklenseth » Sat Dec 27, 2003 3:56 am

We must have been typing at the same time. Plus, I have road runner so things are a little bit faster for me. Your post wasn't there when I went to respond.
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Postby g1asswa1ker » Sat Dec 27, 2003 3:59 am

See look even here LAD's mighty arm reaches out to slash me down. Ok I surrender. Put me into the Gladiator Arena :twisted:
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Postby rklenseth » Sat Dec 27, 2003 4:11 am

Sometimes, I have the feeling that you just don't like me.
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Postby g1asswa1ker » Sat Dec 27, 2003 4:14 am

and the rest of the times we're bestfriends :twisted:
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Postby grayjaket » Sat Dec 27, 2003 4:30 am

creepyguyinblack wrote:I don't understand the OOC hatred some players have towards the Lad Empire. It is a fictional game, but some people seem to be quite angry over Lad. This game is about society experiments, I see Lad as one of the few original governments in the game and great fun to play in, its rigidness gives it culture and identity to the people.

I never said anything against social experiments, but they are experiments...this was a bad one. Sure it's good for the leaders and influential people, but most of my characters in Lad are the ones getting killed or imprisoned for doing nothing, stating an opinion, or incompetence by the authority. Some of you have never experienced this, which is why you don't understand why some of us dislike Lad...a lot
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Postby The Lurker » Sat Dec 27, 2003 4:53 am

Lad: Love It, Leave It, or Die.
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Postby grayjaket » Sat Dec 27, 2003 5:06 am

Correction---Lad: Love it or Die
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Postby rklenseth » Sat Dec 27, 2003 5:32 am

Overdoseofair wrote:
creepyguyinblack wrote:I don't understand the OOC hatred some players have towards the Lad Empire. It is a fictional game, but some people seem to be quite angry over Lad. This game is about society experiments, I see Lad as one of the few original governments in the game and great fun to play in, its rigidness gives it culture and identity to the people.

I never said anything against social experiments, but they are experiments...this was a bad one. Sure it's good for the leaders and influential people, but most of my characters in Lad are the ones getting killed or imprisoned for doing nothing, stating an opinion, or incompetence by the authority. Some of you have never experienced this, which is why you don't understand why some of us dislike Lad...a lot


I have experienced it. I think you are drawing yourself far to much into it as well as giving your opinion to your characters.

Yes, if your character states an opinion that would go against the ideals of the Alexian Empire, your character will be silence one way or another.

Yes, the Alexian Empire makes mistakes which sometimes cost lives of those disloyal, neutral, or loyal. But doesn't that happen in all places?

The Alexian Empire either believes that you either serve the Empire or serve the dirt with yur corpse. That is the way of the society. If your character goes against those ideals then chances are they will die or suffer some other misfortuane. The characters who are in power believe in that Empire and the ideals and the players do a damn good job at role playing these characters. Just because a bunch of players have a fit about their characters being killed in the Alexian Empire doesn't mean that the players will change the personalities of their characters there nor change the ideals of the Empire which has lasted for over 20 Cantr Years. And to say that this is all a conspiracy by the older players to keep newbies from playing in the Alexian Empire is a bunch of bull. I know for a fact that I haven't conspired with other older players who have characters in the Alexian Empire. The fact of the matter is that in the Alexian Empire you need to work from the bottom to the top most of the times and if you have a characters that goes against those ideals of the Empire and the ruling faction in the Empire at the time most likely your character will be killed or silenced or kept down on the food chain for that reason. That is the society of the Empire. My character, Sester Gartaf, worked from the bottom to the top and came to the power he has today by conforming to the Empire. He just wasn't suddenly given power overnight. He began as a Private in the Imperial Guard during the days of Emperor Alexi Romanov and then moved up through the ranks and gained the respect of his superiors. He was also deeply loyal to the vision and ideals of the Empire though these days he has a differing vision than some of the High Imperial Officials and that has led to some conflict within the Imperial Court to even to come as far as accusation of betrayal from both sides. But that is a long story that has yet to resolve itself.

I also had a character die in Ladvicitavoi at the hands of the Empire. At the time, the character was one of favorites and after his death would become quite influential. He was Zak DoUrden, the founder of DoUrden Estates, and he said that he would kill Emperor Alexi Romanov if the Empire ever tried to take over his Estates thus leading to Zak's death. Since DoUrden Estates heard of Zak's death, Robert Smith, the current leader of the Estates, has led somewhat of a war against the Empire for revenge and has led to the slaughter of a number of Imperial Guardsmen in Xiria Forest of which one of my characters that works for DoUrden Estates was involved in. I also have another character that has currently joined a group of people set on destroying the Empire though he is doing because this group promised to help him do something in return for his aid. That was just to prove that I'm not just defending the Empire. Funny how I have have had or have three characters go against the Empire to my one character that supports the Empire and yet I never hear anyone say anything about them.
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Postby grayjaket » Sat Dec 27, 2003 5:44 am

Well, I admit it. Your right. But, you do agree that characters with that trait will generally be killed or imprisoned correct?
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Postby rklenseth » Sat Dec 27, 2003 5:55 am

Yes, I do. But that is the Alexian Empire for the most part. And it happens in real life in places. Imagine how many people have been jailed and killed in China for speaking for religion and the communists for keeping them from worshipping a religion. The same concept can be made here with people who don't conform to the ideals and the vision of the Empire are either killed or jailed. It's how the society works.

And quite frankly, if every place was a democracy then Cantr would get pretty boring.
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Postby sammigurl61190 » Sat Dec 27, 2003 6:05 am

Overdoseofair wrote:Correction---Lad: Love it or Die


Ain't that the truth! LOL

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