I wanna be sedated!

[nitefyre]

Should I stay, or should I go?

(personal favorite)

[Schme]

i really think Schme's one of those people who'd be so much cooler if he had a joint in him.

No offence, but how can you say that? You do not know me. I can't say that I'd trust your prediction.

. seriously, try everything twice.. good philosophy

I don't need to. Don't be stupid, man. Think I need to take coke or smack or X to see what it does? Hell no. I just have to go outside and see the shadows of what were once people in the street. And those are just the guys who aren't in prison. All I need to do is too think back about all the people I know who've been killed over drug sales, all the women who's men are gone, people who've lost there father's, people's who've had sons die before them. I don't need to try reafer to know what it's about. I know pot heads, I know tones, (that's metric tones). I see what it does. I know what it does, and I don't care for it.


A problem with weed, also, is that people feel it's innocent and harmless. It is not healthy. But of course you know that. You do not care, I understand. Fair enough. It's not a hard drug, so it does not really bother me all to much. But people don't realise that there money is worth alot to those with very little of it. And they will do most anything to get it. Those markets are worth alot, (as is the market for all your fancy pills, while I'm here) and people will and do kill to control it. I've never been one to advocate the right to screw oneself up, but there's not much I can do. Fine, go ahead, hurt yourself. But to encourage crime and violence, not to mention extortion, to make reward readily available for doing wrong, that, my friend, is not right, and there is nothing else to it.

And don't tell me what I'm saying is bullshit, my friends. Believe you me, I know all to well.



Edit: I'll patronize you people until the day I die.

Edit: The Sex Pistols is the best punk band ever.

[AoM]

Are you saying you'll patronize the potheads? or everyone on the forums?

[Schme]

Everyone, everywhere, forever.

[AoM]

Oh you'll get far with that attitude bucko.

[Schme]

Your damn right I will.

[Missy]

[wichita]

Sublime - 40 oz to Freedom is a classic album, but what sort of musical genre(s) do ya'll put it in? I have always just classified it as Sublime, 'cause there is so much going on in there: reggae / hip-hop / punk / folk .

One of the great masterpieces of the nineties though. Too bad ol' Bradley got to excited with the H, eh?

[kinvoya]

I vote Clash...

...and (nobody is more surprised than me) schme. I don't agree with every thing you say but I think you're a cool dude - now that you've learned a few forum manners.

[Floyd]

He certainly has got that Editing trick down to a tee, don't he?

I cant see how greenday can be classed as Punk to be honest... 'least not the kind of punk i like... (though saying that i am going to see them this saturday, and am very exited ) I think it's a little like calling east coast bands like "Less than Jake" Ska, when we all know Ska died with The Supremes

Bum be bum be de bum.. num be bum bum... Rudeee!

[Ian]

Schme, I've got a right to get mad. Not because you disagree with me about something and you voice your opinion, I respect that. But you voice it ALL THE TIME and you don't really get off it you know? Give it a rest.
I'm of the opinion that most people try drugs, and that despite what anti-drug education would tell you, most people have no problems with them. We all have horror stories, hell everyone knows a h-whore or crackhead. But we can't look at them and say "See? That's what it does to you." When you could say the same thing with pretty much anything. People crash cars, but that's no reason not to drive. A lot of people had their share of coke in the 80's when it was the thing to do, and though there were repercussions for that, for the most part it was okay. Hell, even our Lord Bush was known as the "Snowman" in college! And Clinton smoked weed, he just didn't inhale...I've had oxys and whatnot, but never on a consistant basis. Sort of like a vacation from reality. I, like many of my friends, have used substance, and given that my friends and I are just fine, I don't look to some poster-child methfreak to learn about drugs. Responsibility and moderation, it's all good.

[Floyd]

*Finds himself falling in love*

Seriously though, it's all good In fact...

Did you know that Cannabis was only made illegal in the 1920's, where as ciggarettes and alcohol were kept legal, is because the amount of smokers around the western world at that time was so amazingly tiny that it was pretty much non-existent, where as 99% of people smoke and drank, and the main reason that it has remained illegal now that it is so popular is because of tax issues. *Deep breath* Also surverys in the UK show that 69% of kids nowadays smoke pot before there 16th birthdays, and an amazing 80% (Myself included) Find it a much more pleasurable, sociable and generally safer drug than alcohol.

Personally i think that all drugs should be legalized (Not that i advocate the use of such substances as Heroin, Crack Cocain etc) As i believe that it is a human right to be able to choose what you pump into your system.

Finnally, i'd just like to say that the Illegalization of Magic Mushrooms, was a huge step backwards on drug policy by the labour government and was only implemented because of election panic.

Thankyou

[AoM]

I have tried weed twice in my life. Each time was a pleasant experience and given that marijuana is less addictive than coffee let alone legal poisons such as alcohol and nicotine, I'm leaning towards legalization of that drug. Generally, light - moderate doses of almost any drug (notable exception could be LSD) will not have a negative effect on one's personality, and in some surprising cases is actually good for the body.

The problem is excess. People give in to the excess and addiction of drugs and that's when problems start. And given that drug problems can affect not only the individual, but the user's family as well, I understand the drug warrior's reasons for cracking down on drugs.

I just find it hypocritical that drugs such as tobacco and alcohol are legal when weed is not, considering that weed kills next to no one and well... the figures are somewhat higher for the other two.

[Schme]

you're a cool dude

Of course I am. Everyone loves me.

I cant see how greenday can be classed as Punk to be honest.

Never really thought of them as that myself, either.

Schme, I've got a right to get mad. Not because you disagree with me about something and you voice your opinion, I respect that. But you voice it ALL THE TIME and you don't really get off it you know?

Mellow out, my man. Take a red.

Give it a rest.

No.

I'm of the opinion that most people try drugs, and that despite what anti-drug education would tell you, most people have no problems with them........................

Anti Drug education? Where've you been, man?

Nobody ever listened to them, and they barely tried to teach us. We didn't need to. We say it every day. The walk home was better than any anti drug workshop, my boy. Believe you me, we didn't buy into government propaganda. It wasn't need it.

I remember a joke we always used to make whenever they had one of those workshops. "Say no to drugs? Don't say things like that! You'll ruin our lively hood!"



And so it’s alright because your traitor of a president used to ride the white horse? It’s ok because your president who fucked secretaries toked?

Whatever you say, buddy. Go for it.


Moderation? I’ve heard that song and dance before. My own brother, for one. Sure, moderation. Whatever makes you happy, eh kid?


Sure, maybe you feel in control now. But it doesn’t last. Man, when what you use now isn’t enough anymore to get you what you had before, are you seriously going to stop? Did you stop?

Are you a millionaire, son? I hope so. When your parents don’t pay for your food and rent anymore, it’s not gonna be easy to keep up with your stuff. Let me tell you, no one’s going to bring the price down for you. Not me, that’s for sure. I like cash.

But you do what you want. Go ahead. More money for me.



But remember, don’t fuck with Akhmed. He’s not like me. He’s got a family to feed. He’ll kill yah.





P.S.

I never said that mary jane would kill you or that you could O.D. on it, or that it will ruin your life or whatever. It won’t do that anymore than booze will (wait….Anyhow…) If you can handle it, go for it.

But the market gets people killed. All the markets get people killed. They’re fighting over you, guys. At least take that into consideration.

*Finds himself falling in love*

Seriously though, it's all good In fact...

Whatever you say, son.





I don't know about England, but in America, around it's independence, farmers we're actually encouraged to grow hemp.



One reason that cannabis is kept illegal in the states is because ciggarette and booze companies do not want to compete with it.


I’m all for legalizing the magic herb, as long as they tax the shit out of it like they do with everything else.

[wichita]

What is Green Day if not punk? They've got the independent attitude, truly reject conformity, and throw out whatever kind of musical sound they feel like it and don't let anyone tell them otherwise. I think they get a bad rap just because of their popularity, which usually kills most bands, but with them it can't be helped because they're just that good.

Am I the only Bad Religion fan on the forum lately? I was hoping to get at least one "Mr. Brett can thrash" from someone out there.

*deep breath*

Where did you grow up Schme, that you were tripping over crack heads and dodging needles at every turn on your way home from school? It sure is making me appreciate the sleepy dirt roads I used to toke up and drink on. Oh yeah, and by the way for all the city-folk, it does takes a bit of medication to help you tip over a cow. I would rather hang out with a pot-head than a drunk any day, or even a coffee addict for that matter - all jittery and hyperactive all the time.

And it has been shown medically and scientifically that there are numerous health benefits from cannabis -- relief of nausea, relaxation, treatment of glaucoma, just to name the immediate and p[opular ones. It is better for your lungs when smoke than tobacco due to the difference in treatment. It can also be prepared in numerous ways, so the hazardous affects of the smoke should be a null point. It has gotten a bad reputation historically to the point where it is subject to an unfortunate amount of undue social disapproval. I have smoked it three times in my past, and the only reason I haven't partaken more often is due to the fact that it is illegal - my religion being against civil disobedience no matter how irrational the law may be.

And the gateway drug argument never really carried much water with me because it seems to be a slippery slope tactic (aka logical fallicy). Seems to me it's another example of not placing blame where it is due - on the irresponsibility of the individual that is abusing the substance. It's just like the kids and sex issue -- parents need to monitor their kids and stay involved with them to help them avoid falling into abusive behavior. Drugs are absolutely no different than sex, porn, shoplifting, bullying, public defecation, whatever, etc.

The motivation for outlawing narcotics is that they are highly addictive. The difference between pot and crack is that a pot head is far les likely to rip off the 7-11 or turn tricks at the bus station to score his next hit (though he may rip off the 7-11 for chips, but he'll be really mellow and polite about it). Heroin spreads disease via needle sharing. The biggest problem with smoking too much pot is unemployment. If anybody hadn't seen Trainspotting and wants to see an in your face portrayal of drug abuse, give it a spin. It is quite the challenging piece of film.


Should drug use be glorified? No. Should it be encouraged? No. But I also think we have to be careful that we don't simply bash it unduly becasue of the negative extremes it can bring. To me it seems almost like banning Krispy Kreme because 60% of the Western world is obese. (Please Lord, don't let that happen! I needs my donuts! ) It seems like outlawing gasoline because it will kill you if you bathe in it and strike a match. It seems like banning porn because it will make you rape kids. Ridiculus scenarios? Yes. They have a line of reasoning behind them, but that line of reasoning in each case is not either logical nor reasonable.

It is so important that we sit back as a society before simply lashing out with knee-jerk reactions to ideas, practices, and policies. This will become ever more important as those of us here grow up and begin to gain positions of authority in society and guide the next generation. I hope that I can see a world that begins to operate less on the statements "I believe..." or "I feel...", and more on the statements "It stands to reason..." or "It is logical to conclude....". When that happens, we will begin to have truly intelligent discussions and open dialogue. With the former trains of thought in place the world is heading for just one exploding pissing match and mud-slinging contest after another...and that accomplishes nothing.