Sunji's Story

[mortaine]

Classical hip hop. It's really not to hard to confuse it.

Okay, you go ahead and call it that and every person who speaks English will automatically assume that you don't know what you're talking about because you don't use the correct terms for what you're passionate about.

I'm afraid that I do not really consider the things that people call rap and hip hop today rap and hip hop. It's more techno pop, if you ask me. And of course, the companies don't produce skill, they produce the guys who will sell albums.

Calling that music "Rap music" is corrupting a term anyhow. Rap means to talk, and the reason the music was called rap was because the people were not in fact singing but rhyming to a backbeat. And so once one adds actuall singing into the equation, it ceases to be rap.

Well, I'm afraid since you don't understand what classical means in music terms that I can't really respect your opinion on other definitions of genre and corruption of terms.

However, I think we can both agree that the rap and hip-hop genres of music (whether you're talking about the original street rap or the classic hip hop) are on the same continuum with their predecessors in beatbox, doo-wop, jazz... all the way back to slave spirituals-- it's all on that same continuum of black folk music embodying spontaneous creative expression with whatever materials are at hand.

I'm not sure that the commercialization of these types of music has corrupted them, but it has definitely changed them. In some cases, as in rap, it's changed them into something I like. In the case of beatbox, not so much.Your point about the necessity of selling out is well understood-- I am certainly not one to complain about any artist gaining money for their talent. I decided when I was fifteen to prostitute my writing if it was at all possible, and that's what I do now. There's enough of what I love in being a word whore to keep me doing it, and I suspect it's the same for music whores as well.

Oh, and if you've never heard of scientology, be glad. Don't bother to google it. It's a cult.

[kinvoya]

Forget the music man! there are plenty of topics about music floating around this Forum! please please please tell us what you think your tale is about, we've all made our suggestions and you've shot them all done, how about you tell us your own interpretation?

I suspect he doesn't say because he doesn't know

every person who speaks English will automatically assume that you don't know what you're talking

Umm...never mind.

[Schme]

Classical hip hop. It's really not to hard to confuse it.

Okay, you go ahead and call it that and every person who speaks English will automatically assume that you don't know what you're talking about because you don't use the correct terms for what you're passionate about.

I'm sorry, I'd forgotten that you control the entire english speaking population of the world and what they do and do not understand. Thanks for reminding me. Won't happen again.

[/quote]Well, I'm afraid since you don't understand what classical means in music terms that I can't really respect your opinion on other definitions of genre and corruption of terms.
[/quote]

Right, right, because your in control of the definitions.

I'm afraid that I do not really consider the things that people call rap and hip hop today rap and hip hop. It's more techno pop, if you ask me. And of course, the companies don't produce skill, they produce the guys who will sell albums.

Calling that music "Rap music" is corrupting a term anyhow. Rap means to talk, and the reason the music was called rap was because the people were not in fact singing but rhyming to a backbeat. And so once one adds actuall singing into the equation, it ceases to be rap.

However, I think we can both agree that the rap and hip-hop genres of music (whether you're talking about the original street rap or the classic hip hop) are on the same continuum with their predecessors in beatbox, doo-wop, jazz... all the way back to slave spirituals-- it's all on that same continuum of black folk music embodying spontaneous creative expression with whatever materials are at hand.

A multi million dollar recording studio is not what I call "Something one has at hand."

[/quote]
I'm not sure that the commercialization of these types of music has corrupted them, but it has definitely changed them. In some cases, as in rap, it's changed them into something I like.[/quote]

If you change rap into techno pop, your not liking the rap, because there is no rap. Your liking the techno pop.

I do not say that just because an artist becomes exetremly rich makes him no good. There are and were many good rich artists. Some of the new stuff I even like. But very little. The problem is, there making really bad people very rich (bad music wise)


[/quote]In the case of beatbox, not so much.[/quote]

I think, maybe, that the death of beatboxing was probably brought about by widescale use of scynthetic sound. Just what I think. But that doesn't change the fact, I guess.


[/quote]
Oh, and if you've never heard of scientology, be glad. Don't bother to google it. It's a cult.[/quote]

I get the feeling your trying to play some sort of trick on me.

[Floyd]

No man, it's actually a cult which a ton of celebraties belong to dont they? i think Tom Cruise might be one... but my celebraty trivia isnt to hot, so feel free to correct me, i'd like to know more about it.

[Floyd]

Forget the music man! there are plenty of topics about music floating around this Forum! please please please tell us what you think your tale is about, we've all made our suggestions and you've shot them all done, how about you tell us your own interpretation?

I suspect he doesn't say because he doesn't know

every person who speaks English will automatically assume that you don't know what you're talking

Umm...never mind.

I'm getting that feeling aswell, i just didnt want to sound nasty but... to hell with it.. Dude, do you actually have any idea what this story is about? come to think of it, did you even write it? you seem to have know clues about the technique and structure of the story when Kinovya or Mortaine (i fortget which) was giving you pointers, and you seem to have no idea as to the moral/point of the entire story... sorry to be mean.. but i really wanna know! (despite the fact that i'm 100% it's an attack on marxism...)

[Schme]

Fine, your right, it was about Marxism. I just didn't want to say it so as to see what else people could come up with.


But please do not accuse me of plagarism. If I use someone else's material, I ask them, and I say so.


Although I wouldn't really say it was an attack on Marxism. When I wrote it, I was thinking more of a look back at history rather than the critique of an idea.

[Floyd]

I knew It! i got really confused when you said it wasn't. well anyways... hooray!

[Schme]

Damn you people and your good perception....

[Nick]

Schme, you fool!
You should have said something else, then Mr Floyd would have to eat his keyboard!

[Schme]

Damn, your right!

Why didn't I think of that?

[Floyd]

Was i correct about Tom Cruise Being a scientologist too?

[Schme]

No idea.

[west]

Yes.

But I think schme's story is more a critique on humanity in general than capitalism or marxism specifically. It explores how humanity tends to go in the same patterns and make the same mistakes and follow the same paths over and over, all the while thinking we're doing something new and exciting. As FDR said, "These men and their hypnotized followers call this a new order. It is not new, and it is not order."

So that's fun.

[Schme]

Who fun?

[Nick]

Yeah, just like how many Americans seem to think their democracy is somehow above that of the Romans and whatnot. But they all fall the same way, as will the USA. That's what Star Wars is about, actually. According to Lucas.