Sunji's Story

[Nixit]

Hm... maybe you missed what I said.

I am NOT unappreciative of the 'classical' music that was the basis of the hip hop today. Although I am not a huge fan of hip hop in general, I still appreciate the folks who started the genre.

However, I am NOT impressed with the music. You, who shot me down with the usage of the word random, should not be mixing up those two words. I would suspect, that if you were in my position, who had not heard the early hip hop but only the more recent and more modern hip hop, then hearing the early hip hop would probably not be as impressive.
It's like when someone sees a very technologically advanced movie and then sees something that is not very advanced in computer graphics and might use strings to make the actors appear to fly... it seems fake and is not impressive. That does not mean that we don't appreciate the older movies that started the base of special effects.

Now, before you respond, make sure you understand what I just wrote.

[Schme]

I am afraid that I do find it impressive. It is not easy to make that array of sounds with the human mouth, and it is even harder to rise to nationwide success when are exetremly poor.

I've heard newer things of what they call hip hop. It's everywhere.

I've also heard it's predescesor, that not being so much the classical hip hop as pop music and techno.

And personally, jumbles of computer generated sounds put together by coarperate puppets, well, it's never come across to me as having much to do with talent. Sure, you have a crazy sound, but to have someone else write your music for you requires no talent, nor does singing when you go to the studio and have your voice enhanced with computers. It does not impress me.


And as for new movies, well yes, the special effects are wonderfull. They're great.

But in the old movies, you actually had to act, because they could not compensate for your bad acting.

In today's movies, they just put famous people in the movie, regardless of acting ability. That is completly idiotic. Let us face it, DMX is not an actor. Reusing a good and talented actor makes sense, but sticking a guy who is popular because of his music in a movie is just sad.

But I suppose that's just me.

[Nixit]

Well, I wasn't really getting into the acting part of the movies more the special effects part.

And yes, I do not doubt that you find the original hip hop impressive. You were around when it started... I was not.


And as for the Garage Band thing, I just said that I was reminded of that when I heard the music. Nothing more.

[Schme]

But the movies are rather the same thing, yes?

As for myself being around when it began, well, no, it began a bit before my time, but I suppose I was alive during it's heyday. I was really very young though, and although I did listen to it, I listened to everything. It isn't exactly the music of my youth. I just like it, and am not so fond of the newer stuff.

[Nixit]

Well, yes, I suppose they are. And yet not all movies are like that, only some of them. Sure most have famous people and famous actors, but many of the actors are good... many are not, true, but not all of them are like that.... I suppose I didn't really say anything that you hadn't really said there...


And about the music, it's still about taste, and personally, I wasn't impressed with the old stuff, and I'm not really impressed with the new stuff...

[Schme]

As I said, I can't make you be impressed.

All the same, I find what they did impressive, but there's nothing I can really do to change your mind short of using my devine powers, and I promised my mother I wouldn't do that as often any more, and so, there's nothing to be done.

[Nixit]

Nope.

[Schme]

Or can I?

[Nixit]

Well, not in my conscious at least.

[Schme]

See, that's the beauty of it.

[kinvoya]

Hey, schme! What the heck is that story supposed to be about, anyway?


My guess? Scientology.

[mortaine]

Um...

Schme: Hip hop is not classical music. Say instead that what you're listening to is "classic hip hop," but to claim it is "classical music" would be akin to someone claiming that Bob Dylan is hip-hop. They are different genres, different time periods, and completely different styles. Please be careful with your terminology, because you don't want to get into an argument with someone over the comparison just because you call it "classical" when you really should say "classic." Please. Like I say-- "Classical" has a very precise meaning in music and shouldn't be used when you mean "original."

I actually WAS around when this crap was on the radio. I remember it with more respect now than I had for it then. What was impressive about beat-box music was that it *was* all done with hand and mouth and broken records. In the tradition of the Motown doo-wop singers, this is music born of poverty and underfunded schools-- if you only have your mouth, hands, and a broken record player, this is what you get. Hip hop would have been more impressive in the long run had anyone actually continued to make music that way, but the reason I call it crap is because, as soon as anyone got enough money for things like a drum machine, they used it, thereby sucking all the soul out of beatbox and turning it all into homogenous thumpa-thumpa music that did absolutely nothing for me, personally.

On the other hand, the same time period saw New Edition and Tiffany as top-40 wonders, so beatbox wasn't the only thing having its soul drained, and in the long run, I think beatbox contributed more to American musical culture (in that its successors hip hop and rap are two of the largest musical movements in American history) than Brittney Spears ever can hope to accomplish, so while I personally don't enjoy it, that doesn't mean I can't understand why someone else might.

[Schme]

Classical hip hop. It's really not to hard to confuse it.


I must agree. Every time someone would make some cash, they'ed sell out. But can you blame them? They've been poor all there life, growing up in a situation where they are never likely to stop being poor, sourounded by people in the same situation as themselves. A chance to get out? Millions upon millions of people would kill for that chance! How could they not take it? A tragedy all the same though.

I'm afraid that I do not really consider the things that people call rap and hip hop today rap and hip hop. It's more techno pop, if you ask me. And of course, the companies don't produce skill, they produce the guys who will sell albums.

Calling that music "Rap music" is corrupting a term anyhow. Rap means to talk, and the reason the music was called rap was because the people were not in fact singing but rhyming to a backbeat. And so once one adds actuall singing into the equation, it ceases to be rap.


I could go on and on..........

[Schme]

Hey, schme! What the heck is that story supposed to be about, anyway?


My guess? Scientology.

Oh, sorry, I forgot all about that. But did you listen to the music? Listen to the music. You'll like it. I know. I have supernatural powers.

I'm afraid I don't actually know what scientology means, but it sounds scary.



By that I don't mean your wrong. It might be. Seeing as I do not know what scientology is, I can't say weather it does or doesn't have anything to do with it, is all I mean.



And even if it turns out it is not originaly about scientology, it is interesting that the story could be interpreted to something different than with what I had in mind when writting it.


Is scientology some sort of study of science, or some such thing?

[Floyd]

Forget the music man! there are plenty of topics about music floating around this Forum! please please please tell us what you think your tale is about, we've all made our suggestions and you've shot them all done, how about you tell us your own interpretation?

Edit: i'm still absolutly definatly amazingly sure this is about communism, but feel free to prove me wrong...