Don't you just hate it when...(post what you hate)

[Solfius]

cultural differences. Wouldn't you hate it more if everyone cartwheeled instead of shaking hands?

[AoM]

Seems a bit of a far-fetched analogy... Bowing and curtseying take roughly the same amount of effort. (If you want to be incredibly formal about either, it can take a fair amount for perfect posture.) Whereas cartwheeling is physically a lot different from a hand shake.

[Solfius]

*sighs* that wasn't meant to be taken as a serious analogy, in fact it wasn't meant as an analogy at all.

[Lumin]

Don't you just hate it when...

Women *bow* instead of *curtsey*

Do you mean in-game? If that's the case, I don't see what's wrong with it. Cantr doesn't have to exactly copy the way RL cultures were.

[Revanael]

Not only that, but it should not.

I hate it when:

People copy RL ceremonies exactly with no reason, no precedent, no IC idea whatsoever. Weddings, for example.

[Lumin]

Well, the concept of marriage, basically of two people wanting to spend their lives together and making it all official-like, is one thing, but I agree that a wedding that copies all our traditions for no reason (maid-of-honor, best man, giving of rings) might be questionable.

But honestly, I've witnessed so few major RPed events that I'd be very unlikely to complain if someone decided to have a big wedding in my character's hometown, regardless of how they went about it.

[Solfius]

Good one Rev, like all the armies that use the exact same titles because they're all lifted from RL, no effort to try and create anything new that relates to the environment/duty like original titles were.

[Pirate Lass]

I think in game "bows" or "curtsies" would really depend on the character.

A curtsy is definately a more feminine move - but a female character of mine in leather pants, a strong personality, and a warrior to boot - would NEVER curtsy. She would be more likely to offer a brief respecable bow. Now say if Lady Jessamin DuVar-MacGregor were still alive, she wouldn't offer anything but a stately curtsey.

[Revanael]

But honestly, I've witnessed so few major RPed events that I'd be very unlikely to complain if someone decided to have a big wedding in my character's hometown, regardless of how they went about it.

You've not been to Lake Village in the last few months, with all the open love and sickening happiness there, then...

If only new.vogue.nightmare and Samantha hadn't left the game (mostly) there'd have been a wedding there years ago with no similarity to Western-culture weddings. And that might have set a precedent, too.

But a wedding that even included the phrase "By the power vested in me"... No. It was just wrong.

[formerly known as hf]

I stumbled across Lake VIllage earlier this week - Resources have pumped some kinda Cantrian aphrodisiac into the air there...

I like the weddings, and I don't think there's much wrong with them (except calling them 'weddings' maybe...)- the idea of publicly declaring love and partnership could certainly be for IC reasons... But I agree, the use of rings and other OOC conventions pushes it a bit, when theres no prescedent.

[The Industriallist]

I would guess that curtsies derived from the hampered movement that gowns imposed on the women most likely to have use for such a gesture, and it spread/trickled down.

In cantr there's no reason for that differentiation, so I'd not expect the curtsie to ever develop.

The idea of a marriage is one that, natural or not, is going to be claimed as natural inevitably. It bothers me quite a lot, though, that most people not only jump right on to the concept as soon as they hear it, but they start offering RL-based suggestions. Really, if you think about it, most cantrians are not at all religious, and very rarely do they need anyone to actually give them permission for a wedding...so why don't they think of just declaring themselves as wed and being done with it?

Army titles I have to defend a little bit...I suspect that back in the day, when those titles were developing, the military organization was a much more mixed-up creature, and much less cleanly hierarchical. If people want to build a strictly hierarchical organization (without fixed duties at each level), they do need a set of titles...they have the choice of either making them up out of thin air or using what exists. Out of nowhere may be more creative, but I don't see why it's much better unless you do it very well..

[mortaine]

I would say the use of rings or similar tokens of betrothal are appropriate, in that getting the resources together to make a ring is an achievement, and an expression of how you will go to the ends of the earth to endow your lover with pointless riches.

That said, except for specific places where they're common, I'd like to see flower garlands exchanged.... *grin*

[Nick]

I would say the use of rings or similar tokens of betrothal are appropriate, in that getting the resources together to make a ring is an achievement, and an expression of how you will go to the ends of the earth to endow your lover with pointless riches.

But in Cantr, rings have no purpose. A waste of a diamond drill bit.
It's not even an argument as to whether or not ring exchanging is an OOC influence.

[mortaine]

Ah, but rings do have a purpose. They are decorative and a sign of wealth (that you can use resources on these things). They are often given and received as tokens of affection, even among friends.

By the same token, clothes have no purpose, but people like them. In fact, nothing in the clothing/jewelry lists has a purpose, yet people do make them.

In any case, a ring is more likely to be accepted as a nice, extravagent gift, than, say, a trowel, even though the trowel takes resources as well.

[Nick]

Ah, but rings do have a purpose. They are decorative and a sign of wealth (that you can use resources on these things). They are often given and received as tokens of affection, even among friends.

By the same token, clothes have no purpose, but people like them. In fact, nothing in the clothing/jewelry lists has a purpose, yet people do make them.

In any case, a ring is more likely to be accepted as a nice, extravagent gift, than, say, a trowel, even though the trowel takes resources as well.

Out of the however many items there are to manufacture, all marriages I have seen use rings for marriage.
Are you seriously arguing that it is not due to OOC influence?