The devaluation of propane...(moved to GD from GS)

[Nick]

As for your question, "Why the devaluation of propane?", I can answer that if you can elaborate on that. By devaluation, you're asking why propane is worse than coal or something? I'm just not quite understanding.

Before, propane smelting would have been considered more high tech, or at least I had considred it so. It took some extra investment, but it paid off after a while. That was the WHOLE POINT, or so I thought, of propane smelting.

[Anthony Roberts]

That very much is the whole point. You make the machine, as a down payment in a sense, and you get propane to use cheaper than coal. In a non literal sense.

[Solfius]

I'm sure there are plenty of ways of doing things which aren't effective, that's why no one does them that way, but someone has to do it first to find out.

[Surly]

So? Use your Coal to smelt Iron, and use that wood you have to purify the propane. If anything, you're benifiting, so shh! Don't tell anyone.

Now, tell me why I would use my wood to purify propane, when using the coal is more efficient, and wood is comparatively more useful. This change is most definitely not what I wanted from this thread.

Now, as for balancing this out, it's obvious that's what you want done. Tell me, what values do you think would be perferred? Not that I'll use them or anything *Snicker*, I just want to know where you're getting these calculations from. You must realise, that, you can't make all calculations from numbers and gathering quantities. There is distance, supply and demand, and all these other economical things to balance out (Whatever they may be, I really don't know or remember >.>).

These calculations are based on the base gathering values of said materials, the quantity of materials used and the production rate of iron and propane. I discounted distance on the basis that coal is required inboth calculations, as are limestone and iron ore. The gas is the only difference, and I assume that very few people would use gas if isn't local.

As for your question, "Why the devaluation of propane?", I can answer that if you can elaborate on that. By devaluation, you're asking why propane is worse than coal or something? I'm just not quite understanding.

No I mean that it used to worth more. Now the values have been changed so it is not so efficient; it used to produce 75g of iron instead of 50g, thereby giving it an advantage over coal. And advantage now removed. I was wondering why those vlaues changed.

That very much is the whole point. You make the machine, as a down payment in a sense, and you get propane to use cheaper than coal. In a non literal sense.

Yes, but propane isn't cheaper. This may have changed slightly now with wood being used instead of coal, but a few days ago it cost more in terms of resources used and days taken to produce it. You make the down payment of a purifier (which aren't all that cheap) and you are rewarded with a less efficient alternative to coal.

I'm sure there are plenty of ways of doing things which aren't effective, that's why no one does them that way, but someone has to do it first to find out.

I did the research, spent the resources, and it was more effective. Then someone decided to change it... Why?

Why did the values change?

[Solfius]

*breaks down* I don't know why it changed *sobs*

Is it time for a witchhunt? Someone must know who changed the damn thing.

You bring the popcorn, I'll bring the stakes and petrol

[Surly]

Any chance we can have two ways to produce propane? One with coal and one with wood. Because a sudden change like that could have serious consequences for my character.

Anyway, it's not propane production I had a problem with. It was the values in iron production...

And don't worry Solfius... I know you're not to blame...

[Anthony Roberts]

Yes, a second way to prepare it could be added. Hell, even a third.

And propane hasn't changed since it was implemented, aside from yesterday when I changed it to wood. So, you either are getting the same amount of Iron you always would (Which is 75, which is listed in the database still, as always), or perhaps there is some form of bug?

That, or it was changed, and oddly there became no record of it. But that can't be possible. It was 75 when I implemented it, it still states 75... so, no change that can be seen.

[Surly]

I didn't say there has been a change in propane. Only in the refining iron (gas) procedure. (i.e. the effectivenes of propane in said process)

But it definitely says 50 not 75. I did a project for 500g in the time it used to take for 750g. So if that is not intentional, there isn't a problem (as far as devaluation is concerned).

But it is definitely 50 not 75. Is this a bug then? That's the answer I wanted all along... Now I need to report it as a bug.

Thanks Anthony!

[Yo_Yo]

Well... I just remembered something. Maybe nothing with propane changed.... but your skills did. The way I understand it, if you're not very good at sometihng, it takes more time...

But I could be wrong. Happens all the time

[Anthony Roberts]

Hmm, that's... odd. I just double checked, and what doesn't make sense is... the primitive smelting furnace has 75, but the normal smelting furnace has 50... they should both be the same. I'll take it to 75, as it should be.

So, not a bug I guess, just me not able to look COMPLETLY >.> I'm a moron, excuse me.

There, so it's like this now. Coal and charcoal give you 50 Iron, and propane 75 Iron, on both machines. Of course, the difference between the machines are the materials needed and the maximum participants.

Is this better, then? Is all well?

[Surly]

See... complaining gets results...



Now, can a primitive smelting furnace use propane? That doesn't seem right somehow...

Anyway, thank you Anthony.

I think that answers my question...

[The Sociologist]

Yes, a second way to prepare it could be added. Hell, even a third.

Then one might suggest that you give Surly his coal option back again, exactly as it was, while leaving the new wood option in place. For some of us the wood option remains a worthwhile one.

EDIT: Rest of post removed as the above posts rendered it redundant.

And thanks, Anthony.

[Anthony Roberts]

Then one might suggest that you give Surly his coal option back again, exactly as it was, while leaving the new wood option in place. For some of us the wood option remains a worthwhile one.

Already have.

EDIT: Rest of post removed as the above posts rendered it redundant.

Sneaky bugger!

[Solfius]

I'm inclined to agree, a primative smelter should't really burn propane...

[Anthony Roberts]

Too bad.

A primitive smelter has the ability to make Iron. Iron will be made in all shapes and forms. Seeing as how propane has been part of the primitive smelter for awhile, removing it now would seriously mess some OTHER people over.

Stop trying to get me to screw up the game more