Cheap Northern Drugs, Cheap Southern Guns,and The Mob on Top

[wichita]

I used to work with a guy back home who had managed to amass an illegal arsenal of military weaponry that included dozens of assault rifles (fully automatic AK47s), a 50mm machine gun from a tank with ammuntion, grenade launchers, etc. The state raided his house in the largest weapons bust in Kansas state history. Unfortunately it can happen, and yes the government does do something to control it.


And as for my rant against the electorate, you're right Industrialist that removing 3 years of voters won't change anything. That demographic didn't really have much to affect the outcome last time anyway. I was just ranting to an extent. I do however believe that the original Jeffersonian ideal of the electorate, and to a certain extent who comprised the original electorate, would be a much better model to follow in improving democracy in action. Basically the first voters were at least 21 and landowners. This was to help ensure that a certain level of maturity and responsibility defined the body of people getting to make important decisions for the country. Jefferson ultimately wanted a public education system established that would select for the most intellectually capable members of society to participate in the political system.

My point is just that we are so far from this idea now and the concept of responsibility for your vote is not emphasized. The last election felt a lot like <i>Gangs of New York</i> to me, like the politicians were running from town to town scrounging up any mindless idiot that could operate a voting booth and telling them what button to push. And it happened on both sides too. I'm not pointing fingers, I'm just pointing out how it works. The whole guilt trip tactic to get people to vote just gets on my nerves. There is nothing wrong with not voting. It is a great responsibility that frankly many people who have the right can't handle properly. I'm sory if that sounds elitist and unconstitutional, but the simple fact is that without a decent educational system and rampant materialism, the people are not fit to rule themselves. That is why the Electoral College was established to elect the president. That is why the Senate was initially elected by the state legislatures. Jefferson and Hamilton and the rest of the founding fathers understood that by and large people are sheep and simply letting the majority rule can be just as bad as tyrrany. There needs to be a system to promote balance.

But these are things that the culture doesn't seem to want most people to know about the history of our government. The level of education most people retain regarding the political system is embarassing if they get exposed to a decent level at all. They want everyone to feel equal and important, which is simply not true. It can't be true, there will always need to be social and political levels in place in a functioning society. Someone has to be in charge, someone has to do the work. That doesn't make the people at the bottom of the totem pole lesser human beings, they just serve a different role in the grand scheme of things.

There was a hilarious articel in the Onion a while back about the American electorate being declared unfit to rule, and voting rights were going to be redistributed to the more reasonable thinking peoples of Canada, Switzerland, and Sweden. I can't seem to find it online right now, but there is something comparable here. http://www.prometheus6.org/node/5259

I'll try and dig for the one I'm thinking of from the actual oinon page. Anybody who loves news satire and doesn't know about Wisconsin's greatest gift to comedy besides Frank Caliendo should check it out somtime.

http://www.onion.com

[Schme]

Question... Who brought the *explicitive deleted*? Scheme you are ridiculus. I have no respect for you or your lack of intellect.

My lack of intelect? Well well, it seems TatteredShoeLace has something to say.

Alright then, prove me wrong, make arguments, go! Do it!

However, you running around like a little kid trying to use big words to make you sound smarter when you say "Your a big stupid!" isn't going to make you look smart, or make me look stupid.

Want to make me look stupid? Wrack your god given brain to get some good arguments.

I'm willing to respond to those. However, going around and calling me stupid without exeplanation is not what this thread is here for.

Don't make racial comments about people scheme. You want to be treated like a big girl? Then act an adult.

Take your own advice. Again, please, point out how I am being childish? Because I "Lack intelect"?

It seems your just trying to insert insults in wherever you can, rather than make sense.

As for what you call the racial comment, if you actually read what is written around here, rather than just glancing through my writting to see if you can make me look bad, you would see that was a response to his pestering me for things I already had told him I would not tell him about at the time.

Nice try.

And as for SARS, you must not include Toronto as part of Canada, they had the second largest outbreak of SARS during the big scare, so much so that the Blue Jays stopped getting people to go to their games.

What I meant was that it was not "Canada" that had SARS.

There were not masses dying in the streets.

There were a few cases hundreds of SARS in the mid eastern part of the country.

That is hardly a national epidemic.

If you actually knew anything about what you were talking about, and not just the media overhype, I wouldn't have to tell you, which would be nice. Look into it.

Seriously man, you're a joke.

And yet you fail to make any argument to counter anything I have said, rather, you talk about my writting style and make reference to imaginary responses.

Here, let me help you out. How am I a joke?

And you'll double or triple post with some pointless reply, or quote and put stuff like 'oh yeah' and 'you got that right'. So from now on, I will just do the same.

Might I ask were I responded to anything with "Oh yah" or "You got that right"?

Your making things up in your head because for some reason you don't like me. Don't do that, please. Your posting libel.

And, if you have a problem with my writting style and layout, well, tough. Don't read what I right then. Why do you intentionaly enrage yourself? It seems rediculous to me.



PS- I'm glad GW pulled welfare on folks. It'll motivate them to get jobs.[/quote]


That's an entirely other topic, don't talk about it here, please start another thread about it if you would like to talk about it. This thread is about a specific topic which may be read about in the first post on the first page.

TatteredShoeLace, until you have something relavent to say, other than idiotic handfulls of insults and irrelavant blaber, then do not post in this thread, please.

And I ask you again, stop calling me Scheme. My handle is clearly spelled out properly on the left of each and every one of my posts.



Onward!

Witchita, first, if you want to talk about the president and what if and whatever else, please start another thread. In fact, I would appreciate it if you would remove that post as it is irrelavent. I did not mean for any of this to become about what your talking about, I was simply citing some examples. If you want to talk about it, start another thread.

Also, if you do not want to talk about the subject, or do not want to read and discuss my material, then don’t. Just go away and don’t read what I right. I’m not forcing you to reply to or read my things if you don’t want to, so don’t pretend that I am. It’s not my fault you are easily upset and angered. If you don’t want to read or talk about something that you don’t have to, then why do you? Just stop!

No one is making you turn on your computer to read this, no one is forcing you to care about it. Just turn off your computer, go out for a walk, forget I even exist.


Yo-yo, Avatar of Meisora, and the rest, if your not going to talk about anything and your just going to clog my thread with irrelavent or non sensical posts, then don’t post at all. I ask everyone to remove the posts that have nothing to do with this topic and put them in another thread.

...I also don't think you're right in saying all or even most of the guns illegally in Canada are manf'd in the US.

Please explain.

I agree with west. No one really wants an american assault riffle. If you've ever used/kept up with the condition of one, you'd know it was a pain in the ass. Thats the problem with alot of american assault riffles. They are precision made. So even if a very small amount of dirt or sand or whatnot gets into the gun, you're gonna jam it up.

I'm not talking about assault rifles at all.

You're more likely to see an AK-47 in a gangsters hands then say an M-16, even though the M-16 is just as easily purchased.

If someone up here tried to take someone out with something like that, chances are they'ed be spotted and shot or spotted and thrown in prison before they got down the block. Another reason were not talking about them.

. As for the pistols... well yeah we are leading in them.

Yes. I'm glad that you at least don't try to deny it. As for Isareali weaponry, I agree, they are much much better. However, they are much more exepensive and insanly harder to procure, and to exepensive to be disposable (whilst making profit)

These kind of guys don't have nice, sleak guns and the like. Were talking about cheap, American guns.




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Man I love guns. I'll send some up as a present for you Scheme

Great! I'll use it to force your mother and your daughter into prostituiton and kill the border guard when he finds out I have a pickup full of weed! Then I'll sell them real cheap to an unstable crackhead who'll use it blow a shop clerk, who came up to the land of the free to make a better life for him and his family, 's brains out! Thanks, Yo-yo, my man!





Again, I’m very willing to discuss United States federal politics, or whatever else you like, and might I say, a lot of you have very good well founded arguments and opnions about the wide array of subjects you guys have started going on about, however, it would be much, much better, in another thread, or perhaps even several other threads, as it does not have much to do with this, and it would also allow others to enter the discussion without having to go through my thread first.

And so, please, if you could remove all the irrelavent discussions from this thread, I would greatly appreciate it.


Thanks!

[The Industriallist]

In 1994, the Federal Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 was passed. This law banned rifles that had detachable magazines and two or more of the following characteristics:

* A folding or telescoping stock
* A pistol grip
* A bayonet mount
* A flash suppressor, or threads to attach one (a flash suppressor reduces the amount of flash that the rifle shot makes. It is the small birdcage-like item on the muzzle of the rifle)
* A grenade launcher.

So grenade launchers are legal in the States, then?

No...that apparantly had something to do with explicitely banning the means to fire a 'rifle grenade', which is a grenade fitted to the end of a rifle barrel and fired by the action of the rifle.

So...I would think that the grenade in question was already illegal, and an actual grenade launcher was certainly illegal. This was to ban rifles that could potentially be used as grenade launchers. Which I'll grant doesn't have much downside I can see, though the source claims that most flash-suppressors count. Eh.

>Schme
You know the whole...don't try to seize control of the thread thing? You're not getting it. Your blanket "don't post that stuff" makes it pretty obvious.

[Schme]

The whole "Don't try and seize control of the thread thing" was your thing, not mine.

I am currently not talking about American federal politics that do not regard the initial topic, as interesting as some of those things are.

Keep in mind that you are perfectly capable of starting your own thread.

That's right! You can have one of your very own!

No, but really, if were not going to talk about the initial thing, we may as well lock this thread.

[Yo_Yo]

Scheme... I have some vacation time comming soon. Where do you live? I'd love to personally show you my gun collection. For you we can start with the end of my barrels.

And they ain't even real gangsters if they don't ride with the AK. Your gangsters are just small pups compaired to ours.

[The Industriallist]

CD WARNING:

Firstly, mind your language. Mostly you, schme.

Secondly, stop being aggressive or offensive to each other. And again, though not as much, that seems to be mostly schme, but it is still most of you.

Thirdly. Schme, don't try and control which way the conversation is going. It gets you hated, is pointless, and is inappropriate.

All of you. CALM IT.
(Revanael)

Note "Thirdly", Schme.

Note "Secondly", Yo_Yo.

[Yo_Yo]

Hey, I was trying to be agressive after he said somthing about my mother. It don't go down like that kids.

[Schme]

Alright, that is just not cool man.

First, you threaten me.

Threaten me over the godamn internet. Ohh, your a big man now, arn't yah, kid? Come on. Bring it on. Go, kill me. Kill me like a man, from about fourty feet away, with your gun. Ohhh, your a tough guy now, arn't yah kid?

But ok, go on. Kill me. Do it. Go. Now.

Then, you insult me.

And then, you insult the situation.

I have a feeling you don't know what the hell your talking about kid, because if you did, you wouldn't joke about it, you wouldn't "compare gangstas".

It's not all music videos "bling bling" and women, not all rap music and black slums, it's not all "ghettofabulous"

I'm not talking about "Fifty Cent" and "G Unit" and godamn Will Smith movies, k kid?

If your going to strut around, making fun of people, making light the serious discussion, bragging about your damn guns, do it somewhere else, ok kid?

I'm trying to be serious here, ok?

When you made your damn little joke, about sending me guns, I took it, fair enough, right? just a little joke. hell, I even make a joke of my own. And so you threaten me? You make fun of me? Nice kid, nice.


Listen, kid, please, I'm not holding the fact that you didn't grow up the way I did against you. It's better that you didn't, I'm glad for you.

But don't make fun of me, and threaten me, please, at least not on this, alright kid?

I'm all for joking and such, but not on this, for the love of god, not on this.




I'm really sorry for the rant here, but it's really not something I want to be joking about, at the very least, not here. I would have thought you could have fathomed that from the rest of the thread. Don't do that, ok guy?

[Schme]

Hey, I was trying to be agressive after he said somthing about my mother. It don't go down like that kids.

I was making a joke, just like you were making a joke. It was a joke until that, guy.

I never said I would BUY guns and do that. You said you would give me the guns.

If your going to get so upset, so upset so as to threaten me with death, then go away. I don't want to upset you.

[Yo_Yo]

Pshhh... I grew up in detriot for the first 12 years of my life. I know what the hell I am talking about.

And as for you getting all upset about me insulting you, you've been doing it all thread. You insult the US, you insult many random members of this forum. Honestly, its the pot calling the kettle black.

Maybe you don't have any rules when it comes to making fun of things up in Canada, but down here we have a couple. You crossed that line.

[wichita]

Witchita, first, if you want to talk about the president and what if and whatever else, please start another thread. In fact, I would appreciate it if you would remove that post as it is irrelavent. I did not mean for any of this to become about what your talking about, I was simply citing some examples. If you want to talk about it, start another thread.

Also, if you do not want to talk about the subject, or do not want to read and discuss my material, then don’t. Just go away and don’t read what I right. I’m not forcing you to reply to or read my things if you don’t want to, so don’t pretend that I am. It’s not my fault you are easily upset and angered. If you don’t want to read or talk about something that you don’t have to, then why do you? Just stop!

No one is making you turn on your computer to read this, no one is forcing you to care about it. Just turn off your computer, go out for a walk, forget I even exist.

In a sense schme I do feel I have to respond to this because I am an educator. I will hopefully spend the rest of my career working to help future generations develop an increased capacity for rational thought. I have to respond to this, because you, sir serve as a prime example of how educational institutions have failed in the past in this regard and a are now a motivation for me to learn how to do my job properly. Education is one of the most important civil services in terms of its benefit to society, yet it is one of the most poorly neglected in North America. This needs to change and I hope I am able to deliver that to my country, and in the long run to the betterment of the world culture.

And don't act offended because the topic of the thread has drifted. That is normal and understandable for a truly rational discussion, and it would take a miracle for any thread on this forum to actually stay on topic anyway. What you are witnessing here schme is a discovery of the complicated spiderweb of social and political interactions that are culminating into the cause and effect of the problem(s) you initially mentioned. Apparently, and unfortunately so, your idealistic adolesent mind is unable to comprehend that. Either that or you are simply being intentionally inflammatory...it's probably a combination of all of that.

The issue of guns in Canada is not simply a result of them being legal here. The presence of drugs in the US is not a result of Canadian policy. Check out half the wheat field in eastern Kansas if you're looking for a good supply. Borders cannot be locked down. It is foolish and idealistic to think that they can. It's no more the fault of the US than any other nation. It's not really even that significant a problem, once you downplay the media overhype.

Join the 21st century and drop the black and white nature of your views of the world. Embrace the color and complexity. See the rainbow, taste the rainbow. (I like skittles. ) Please grow up, stop with the acidic posts, and stop acting incredulous and wondering why we don't like you here.

[Schme]

I'm not so upset that you insulted me as that you insulted the severity of situation which allows my people to constantly die.

So you lived in Detroit until you were twelve? Detroits a nice city. However, I have a feeling that you did live in the same type of situation as myself, as the people around me, and the people in the projects of Detroit, as if you did, I have a feeling that you might not be laughing to hard at there problems.

Now, I'm not saying it's too my credit that I grew up were and how I did and live where and how I do, but I ask you not to make fun of that situation, that being the situation which causes all these problems for the millions of Americans and Canadians alike.

[Schme]

In a sense schme I do feel I have to respond to this because I am an educator. I will hopefully spend the rest of my career working to help future generations develop an increased capacity for rational thought. I have to respond to this, because you, sir serve as a prime example of how educational institutions have failed in the past in this regard and a are now a motivation for me to learn how to do my job properly. Education is one of the most important civil services in terms of its benefit to society, yet it is one of the most poorly neglected in North America. This needs to change and I hope I am able to deliver that to my country, and in the long run to the betterment of the world culture.

witchita. I would like to point something out to you. You do not know me. You have no way of knowing what kind of education I have or have not completed, just as I do not know what you have completed. I do not know you.

And so, I would greatly appreciate it if you did not assume that "The educational system has failed on you" and whatnot.

In otherwords, you say I'm an idiot. You say this because I do not agree with what you (on your insistence that the thread deviate very far from the original topic)

I must say, it is very foolish and pig headed to call someone an idiot, and to make numerous assumptions about there life (my education, my age, for example. In fact, I feel it is likely that you are younger than I am. But wait? How would I know? I don't! I don't know you.) based on there opinions.

I went through the system, my friend. But the system is not some sort of magical machine that can make everyone ultra intelegent and in agreement with the mighty mind of the man who was called witchita.

Do you think that the person you are today is based only on what you learned in public school? Is that were all your opnions and personality traits come from? Of course not.

People form there own opnions, from what happens to them in life. People become there own people. Some call it "The School of Life". That's were I went to school, my friend.

I'll agree with you on the fact that public schools are not in fact very good, in either country.

But I must say that I am very insulted by the fact that you assume you know me by what I've written on an Internet forum.

And despite your claims of "I must respond, as I am an educator" well, I could say "I must kill that heathen, as I have a moral duty to do so" but that does not mean I am physically bound to do it by some devine force.

I'm glad you feel your the educational messiah, it must be good for your self esteem. But please, don't make such wide judgements and assumptions.

And don't act offended because the topic of the thread has drifted. That is normal and understandable for a truly rational discussion, and it would take a miracle for any thread on this forum to actually stay on topic anyway. What you are witnessing here schme is a discovery of the complicated spiderweb of social and political interactions that are culminating into the cause and effect of the problem(s) you initially mentioned. Apparently, and unfortunately so, your idealistic adolesent mind is unable to comprehend that. Either that or you are simply being intentionally inflammatory...it's probably a combination of all of that.

Might I ask when I "acted offended"?

I can comprehend full well that there is a bigger picture, my friend. But this thread is not big enough for it.

There you are again, insulting my intelegence based on what you think. You think this thread is big enough for the entire picture.

Also, all I asked is that the irrelavent discussions, such as how things would be if you elected John Kerry to office (which would not affect the current topic significantly), the environmental discussions, the discussions about how effective what guns are, ect. ect., not be conducted here.

It's really not much to ask.

The issue of guns in Canada is not simply a result of them being legal here. The presence of drugs in the US is not a result of Canadian policy. Check out half the wheat field in eastern Kansas if you're looking for a good supply. Borders cannot be locked down. It is foolish and idealistic to think that they can. It's no more the fault of the US than any other nation. It's not really even that significant a problem, once you downplay the media overhype.

Your right. It is not simply the result of anything. And I never said Canada was anything like the sole supplier of weed to the united states (if you had actually read what I wrote, you might know that)

In fact, I very much doubt any Canadian weed makes it much farther than Wyoming.

But your not reading what I'm writting here, and your not making simple connections. You can't call me a fool because I didn't say something. I just naturally assumed people knew Canada was the the supplier of weed to the entire united states. I don't think you know much about the market I am talking about.


It is in part the result of both nation's national goverment policies. Now you are not looking at the big picture.

Join the 21st century and drop the black and white nature of your views of the world. Embrace the color and complexity. See the rainbow, taste the rainbow. (I like skittles. ) Please grow up, stop with the acidic posts, and stop acting incredulous and wondering why we don't like you here.

I do not have "black and white" views on the world. But there exists in this world, absolute inrefutable truths. Some call them facts. Those are, in fact, black and white.

And, as I said before, if my "acidic" posts upset you, don't read them. It's not my fault if you upset yourself.



I'm sorry, this is rather messy and unelegant. I've never been very charismatic. I'm sort of falling asleep here.

If you'd like to go on about this, please send me a private message and we can talk about it later tonight.

[The Industriallist]

I do not have "black and white" views on the world. But there exists in this world, absolute inrefutable truths. Some call them facts. Those are, in fact, black and white.

No, there are not absolute, irrefutable truths, at least if truth is defined as universal. Though I don't particularly want to go far enough off topic to discuss that one...

[Nixit]

Oh, and Schme, this is not particularly off topic, but you seem to make a big deal out of it wherever you are. Some people call you Scheme, because they are unfamiliar of the person Schme in Peter Pan, and that's very understandable. It's also understandable when you ask them to call you Schme...

BUT, when you respond to people's posts calling them kid, gringo, whitey, limey... (the list goes on) and yet you still rant about how they are missing an 'e' in your name. That is being very hipocritical.

And I would start a new thread, but since my point can get accross in one post, there is no need to start a new thread.