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AoM · Postby **AoM** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 5:25 am

@RKL

Don't play semantics here, please. Yes, we're all God's children, but it's central to ALL Christianity that Christ was THE Son of God. He was both man and God, he was divine.

I hate to argue in favor of the dogma, b/c i don't believe in it, but come on. If you know anything about christianity, particularly Catholicism, you know that Jesus is a deity, we worship him just as much as we worship God the Father. In a funky way, they're really one and the same...

Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost: It's the Holy Trinity. God in three separate aspects. The Holy Ghost, or Spirit, is the spark of God's divinity and presence in all things, including you and me. Notice how Jesus is considered a whole seperate entity on the Trinity. Dude, he's fricken' God.

Did he claim it in his life? No. When Pilate asked him directly, he wouldn't say. This is because Jesus was partly mortal, and even had his own doubts of faith: well documented when Jesus stood in the garden at the Mount of Olives. He prayed to God the Father for the strength to carry out His Will. By his faith, unto God did he commend his spirit.

Whether or not Jesus was just a man is certainly up for debate in my book, but in the eyes of Christianity and the writers of the Gospel (who really didn't write it because God was technically working through them :roll:

), all doubt of Christ's divinity was layed aside when Jesus was resurrected. He brought forth the Holy Spirit and gave instructions as to starting the Christian Church.

Postby **wichita** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 5:37 am

It's declared many times in the gospels, along with his role in bringing perfection to the old law of Judaism. I don't think any rational person forgets he was Jewish, but...

John 8:58 Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM." (NKJV)
One of his declarations as diety that nearly led to an angry stoning.

John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
This is one of the reasons conservative christians get viewed as intolerant of other religions. That and the crazy guys you see with the you will burn in hell signs on campus. I really wanted to punch some of them out for tarnishing my faith's image.

Even though I am very conservative as a christian, I can still laugh at Monty Python's Life of Brian. It is hilarious how he can scream that he is not the messiah, but the people just blindly ignore what he is trying to tell them and come up with oddball ways to worship him.

AoM · Postby **AoM** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 5:39 am

@ Wichita: :wink:

Always good to have a sense of humor about things.

Postby **wichita** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 5:56 am

I try to keep in mind that not everybody will accept my beliefs, so I think it's important to maintain an open mind and not become one of the uptight Bible beaters that you see on TV. I also believe that God can work in everything - even things that are condemned and avoided like the plague by the "moral majority". So I explore things like punk and "inappropriate" films and literature and whatever other taboo subjects might be shunned by the self righteous in order to understand where everyone else is coming from. When I was 18 I was on the verge of athiesm and depression, so I haven't been swimming in Holy Water oblivious to what goes on in other people's heads. The condemning attitude is so unchristian it makes me sick.

I don't want to drag the thread much farther of topic, but I'm thinking about some song lyrics written by Don Chaffer of Waterdeep (an excellent 90s band out of Kansas City / University of Kansas)
In the gas station bathroom by the condom machine
I heard the Word of the Lord
He said take off your shoes for this is Holy ground too
You know I came for the sick and the bored

Too many Christians these days are trying to legislate and beat the religion into the country, when they need to be sitting down getting to know "the lost" and trying to demonstrate the love and peace that is available in the Faith. That is probably the most overlooked practice of Christ's in the modern Church.

So yeah, talking about movies...Life of Brian is definitely another good one when viewed with the right mindset.

west · Postby **west** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 6:08 am

gotta love.

RKL: where'd you get your Jesus at? Just curious.

Yo_Yo · Postby **Yo_Yo** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 6:09 am

Meh... i'm agnostic. I know somethings there... just can't put my finger on it. Besides, I figure if theres only one god (and all the others are wrong) I'd probably have a decent chance of not being condemed to hell.

Gotta love my thought process huh?

west · Postby **west** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 6:10 am

Pascal's Wager, eh?

Yo_Yo · Postby **Yo_Yo** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 6:15 am

Erm.. don't know what that is, but okie dokie

west · Postby **west** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 6:19 am

Pascal was a French philosopher who reasoned thusly:

If I choose to believe there is a God, and live a just and honorable and God-fearing life, I'll go to heaven if there is one, and if there isn't, what's the harm in living a just and honorable life? On the other hand, if I don't believe and it ends up being true, it's off to hell for me...so, might as well believe. :lol:

Yo_Yo · Postby **Yo_Yo** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 6:26 am

Sounds like a wise man. What happened to him when he died?

Postby **wichita** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 6:36 am

We'll find out when we get there too. :wink:

Nixit · Postby **Nixit** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 1:30 pm

That was the guy who came up with Pascal's Triangle right?

AoM · Postby **AoM** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 4:15 pm

Well if there is an all-knowing God, He probably knows about Pascal and his little 'wager.'

The concept of Hell is a sad one, because it brings about forced faith just like that... and I can't imagine that Christians who truly believe for the right reasons would want a bunch of wannabe Pascals walking around.

@ wichita, sorry to hear about your depression, although as a friend of many atheists, I can assure you that the two don't necessarily go hand in hand.

Oh, and strangely enough, I have never seen life of brian... but the holy grail movie is fantastic.

Peanut · Postby **Peanut** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 4:22 pm

I saw Underworld last saturday. (My brother rented it)

And i was dissapointed.
There were some "flaws" in the script.

But hey what can you expect of a film that was following the hype a while ago.

rklenseth · Postby **rklenseth** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:23 am

All right, back on subject. I just saw a sneak preview of Kingdom of Heaven tonight and it is awesome. It is a long movie though so if you couldn't sit through Return of the King then you might want to wait until you can rent or buy it and watch in leisure at home. This was after watching another movie as well so it might not be as bad. It probably felt long after sitting through one movie before.

I now have greater respect for Orlando Bloom's acting ability. I thought he was sub-par in Pirates of the Caribean and he totally sucked in Troy. But in this movie he is much, much more better and possibility worthy of an Academy Award.

The story is well played out and I liked it a lot. It is more or less about a man whose past is marred and becomes a knight to redeem himself and his honor and in the process becomes the anti-hero who gives hope to despair and defiance against the power hungry. The only part I didn't like so much was the whole princess romance which seemed alot like a recycling of Braveheart's plot.

If you're looking for battles then this movie has them in all their gore and violence. I think the battles were well done (come on, it is Ridley Scott; see Gladiator or Black Hawk Down) unlike the recent Troy and Alexander movies where you could tell most of it was computer generated.

So all in all, I would highly recommend this movie and would consider it my favorite if Serenity wasn't coming out this fall. I think it comes out May 5th. So it won't be long until you all can see it. I'm going to give it 4 out of 4 stars.

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