Cement/Concrete.

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Cement/Concrete.

Postby Just A Bill » Sat Apr 09, 2005 4:11 am

It looks like cantr has everything required to make concrete. My understanding is that limestone (powedered) and clay are roasted to make cement. Which is then mixed with sand and water (sometimes rocks) to make concrete. This would be a new way to make buildings and could also be used to improve roads.

If this has been suggeseted before, please ignore.
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Postby AoM » Sat Apr 09, 2005 5:45 pm

Perhaps an alternative way to improve roads?
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Postby Peanut » Mon Apr 11, 2005 7:57 am

Or make buildings?

It would need another material to keep it in place though.

Perhaps a wooden mold?
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Postby Anthony Roberts » Mon Apr 11, 2005 12:23 pm

Limestone, Clay, Sand, and Stone. No water. *Shakes his head*

I'm not saying it doesn't use water in real life. I'm just saying, if implemented in Cantr, it can't use water. Not that I don't WANT it to use water, it just can't. Certian restrictions apply.

But it would be interesting. A new road type. There are other road types we've been contemplating, with a resource no one has nor found. But it would be unfair to make that one first, then concrete, mainly because concrete would be... the most technoligcally advanced road type. Well. Except Expressway. Made from a shovel and sand or something. Which is funny.

What about a glassway?! Road made of glass! ...Nah, forget it.

Have to think about it, and a way to balance out the other road types around this one.

As for buildings, it's a good idea, cement and wood building. Cement surely would be stronger than stone, so that would mean bigger in the long run.

Hmmm...
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Postby Surly » Mon Apr 11, 2005 1:38 pm

Anthony Roberts wrote:As for buildings, it's a good idea, cement and wood building. Cement surely would be stronger than stone, so that would mean bigger in the long run.

Hmmm...


I'm pretty sure that isn't true... We use a large amount of cement because it is a lot cheaper than huge blocks of stone.

Although maybe you meant concrete. *shrugs* That's a lot harder than cement.
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Postby mortaine » Mon Apr 11, 2005 3:39 pm

What about a glassway?! Road made of glass! ...Nah, forget it.


Why not? My great-grandfather built a library in which the floor for the second story was made of very thick glass-- thick enough you couldn't see through it much, but it still allowed a lot of the light from the skylights in.

I think we should have glass to be used as a building material. Then the really self-righteous among us could build glass houses.

It would need to come with the addition of "rock" as a weapon-- you could make it with a small amount of stone, and you would throw it....
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Postby Cookie » Mon Apr 11, 2005 3:54 pm

Anthony Roberts wrote:As for buildings, it's a good idea, cement and wood building. Cement surely would be stronger than stone, so that would mean bigger in the long run


Not really, if you think of Tarmac which is basicly just a stone gluee mix that lasts longer than cement roads. They crack in the sun.
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Postby Floyd » Mon Apr 11, 2005 4:29 pm

Wouldent it just make building a house so much more complicated though?
You'd have to make bricks wouldent you?
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Postby Doodle_Jack » Mon Apr 11, 2005 4:43 pm

Mr. Floyd wrote:Wouldent it just make building a house so much more complicated though?
You'd have to make bricks wouldent you?


Nah, you would have to make large blocks of concrete or something, but that's why wooden moulds are required.

But isn't it true that buildings made of concrete use a steel skeleton? That combination is what basically makes apartment buildings and even skyscrapers possible!
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Postby Floyd » Mon Apr 11, 2005 4:45 pm

imagine how hard they would be to build though, you'd need cranes and a load of other non existent machines, plus a ton of man hours...

... not that i'm not one for progress of course :wink:
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Postby The Industriallist » Mon Apr 11, 2005 5:21 pm

...and more importantly, most of the steel in the entire world to put up a single building...

Until we have an actual industrial revolution, some things won't be useful and steel-based buildings are one of them

Cement would be a big help I'm sure, though I don't properly understand why. I do know it made a big assist to architecture long before anyone would even dream of steel skeletoned buildings.
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Postby west » Mon Apr 11, 2005 5:41 pm

Doodle_Jack wrote:
Mr. Floyd wrote:Wouldent it just make building a house so much more complicated though?
You'd have to make bricks wouldent you?


Nah, you would have to make large blocks of concrete or something, but that's why wooden moulds are required.

But isn't it true that buildings made of concrete use a steel skeleton? That combination is what basically makes apartment buildings and even skyscrapers possible!


You won't find a concrete building bigger than 6 stories or so, not one in which the walls are weight-bearing. Anything bigger than that uses a steel frame from which the walls are "hung" rather than using walls to support floors and ceilings.
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Postby Anthony Roberts » Mon Apr 11, 2005 5:46 pm

Well, cement, concrete, WHICHEVER. Point being, one is stronger than just stone.

And when I say "stone", I mean, stones piled on each other. Stone buildings do not have you glue them together with something, do they? No, so I feel it's just one stone being set upon another stone... etc. And then how you get the roof, that's a good question. Stones hover, I guess.

Point being, concrete would be all together, mixed or whatever. Or cement, I don't care which.

As for a glass road. No. Just no. A car drives on glass, that's just not smart. Where's the traction? Neh.
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Postby Surly » Mon Apr 11, 2005 5:48 pm

Anyway, my answer is... no. We shouldn't have concrete or cement. The game is complicated enough at the moment. If I wanted it to be that realistic, I'd go and build me an actual house.

We don't need cement or concrete, in my opinion.
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Postby Floyd » Mon Apr 11, 2005 6:00 pm

I, for one, am With Surly, keep Cantr skyscraper clear!
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