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Postby TQ » Wed Mar 30, 2005 5:15 pm

IN RL I don't know how long I've got to not eat for before I die but I will know when it is soon. So maybe it is better that we know. And also finding out in game would mean death and isn't it a CR breach to use knowledge from one char to aid another thus all your chars would die trying to find out how long they can survive without food.
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Postby wichita » Wed Mar 30, 2005 5:21 pm

The policy only affects brand new players. After you've been at it for years, you then know all the stuff OOC and have to pretend anyway according to the CR. I see the rationale for the learn it IC rule, but what it actually ends up doing is putting the new players at a severe disadvantage.

I know the more burnt out and bitchy veterans enjoy exerting their superiority by tongue lashing the newbies for not knowing things that the people that have been playing for several months take for granted.

Sorry for sounding bitchy, but the whole argument feels pretty daft.
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Postby TQ » Wed Mar 30, 2005 5:25 pm

This is completely off topic but I didnt want to start a new topic in case this is just my PC. Is the game locked right now? Its letting me log in but not view my char pages and it says it is locked. Whats going on?
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Postby wichita » Wed Mar 30, 2005 5:28 pm

Find out in character.

Yes it actually locked up on me in the middle of a sentence. It looked wierd when everyone had the same error message for a name.
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Postby TQ » Wed Mar 30, 2005 5:30 pm

I was mid sentence as well! Then I went to find out how old someone was and his name was an error message then when I got back to events everyone's name was that! Then it locked. Anyone know whats goin on! I've been waiting all day to play!
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Postby Junesun » Wed Mar 30, 2005 5:39 pm

There is a problem with the database. The game was locked in order to protect its integrity. Thomas is working on it.
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Postby Revanael » Wed Mar 30, 2005 6:23 pm

There's been a topic in General Support abouit it for a while. Check there first in cases like this, TQ! :D
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Postby The Sociologist » Wed Mar 30, 2005 6:37 pm

TQ wrote:IN RL I don't know how long I've got to not eat for before I die but I will know when it is soon. So maybe it is better that we know. And also finding out in game would mean death...

Yes, well said. The position should surely be that your characters have adequate knowledge of their physiology and even of some of the game's "basic laws of physics" the moment they spawn.

For example my very first character looked around and picked up meat and odds and ends from the ground after his first kill because he thought they were "his". None of my later characters did that. Should they have? Get real, people. :lol:
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Postby Anthony Roberts » Wed Mar 30, 2005 8:26 pm

The Sociologist wrote:
TQ wrote:IN RL I don't know how long I've got to not eat for before I die but I will know when it is soon. So maybe it is better that we know. And also finding out in game would mean death...

Yes, well said. The position should surely be that your characters have adequate knowledge of their physiology and even of some of the game's "basic laws of physics" the moment they spawn.

For example my very first character looked around and picked up meat and odds and ends from the ground after his first kill because he thought they were "his". None of my later characters did that. Should they have? Get real, people. :lol:


Yeah.

And that exactly the whole point of...

"1000-5: You are hungry."
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Postby TQ » Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:33 pm

Anthony Roberts wrote:
The Sociologist wrote:
TQ wrote:IN RL I don't know how long I've got to not eat for before I die but I will know when it is soon. So maybe it is better that we know. And also finding out in game would mean death...

Yes, well said. The position should surely be that your characters have adequate knowledge of their physiology and even of some of the game's "basic laws of physics" the moment they spawn.

For example my very first character looked around and picked up meat and odds and ends from the ground after his first kill because he thought they were "his". None of my later characters did that. Should they have? Get real, people. :lol:


Yeah.

And that exactly the whole point of...

"1000-5: You are hungry."


See your point the Anthony. Maybe that should just still work like that, I have a char right now desperately travelling to find somewhere with food, he has no idea how long he is going to live because I do not like to look at my status bars.
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Postby Surly » Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:51 pm

Do you guys really think that the first humans had to die to realise that hunger could kill them? That's a ridiculous argument.

But my point is more that interpretation of the hunger bar should be explained to new players. Remember that complete starvation would kill you, as in RL, but you can live to the age of 70 wearing no clothes and eating only raw potatoes. Cantr does not follow all RL mechanics, so I feel those that could potentially harm a character should be forewarned. By all means people should find out in character what a curing tub is for, but basic things like explained the inevitable conclusion of hunger should be explained. For instance 100% tiredness doesn't kill you, but 100% hunger does. I think that should be said.

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Postby Nick » Wed Mar 30, 2005 10:20 pm

I'm gonna have to side with Anthony and TSC. There is no lack of warning for hunger being a bad thing. Doesn't take much brain power to figure out that maximum hunger is bad.
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Postby Peanut » Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:02 pm

The problem is that cantarians have no "real" instinct.

They do have senses (like that msg when your hungry or when you hear someone talking, etc etc etc)

But they lack the so called "Engine" that makes them tick.

We are in fact that engine.

So in fact they should know that hunger is a bad thing because we drive them.
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Postby Yo_Yo » Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:12 pm

Now heres another question. Does being hungry effect how tired you get from doing said task? Not that I' a huge fan of the tiredness... but it would make sense.
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Postby Peanut » Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:19 pm

See it as this.

You work for 100% when your not hurt/tired/hungry

If your 10% tired

You work at 90%


if your 25% tired, 10% hurt and 35% hungry

You work at 30%


The figures may be off but i believe it works on this principal.

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