Olip West

[Lumin]

Some guy spawned in and said he was a refugee from some other land, and started asking about his "sister" (who I assume is another character of his). I tried to RP the situation out at first, but then gave up and told him he was breaking the rules. The thing is, he said he already knows about the CR and seems to think his handling of the situation was okay. Rather than sit there and argue it out with them I figured I'd post the relevant bits here and let somebody else explain it to him.

1064-4: Snarogh (a man in his twenties) says to you: "ooc: I do know this rule, but i don't understand why our characters should not have a live befor the spawn. For example, why am I 20 years old. In this 20 Years of my Life I will shure have learned how to speek and hanle things. But why am I not allowed to have a familiar relation to an other character, if it is not hard for me to seperate the knowledge a character has earned after spawning (like names or places for example). It is not like I want to use the knowledge of my other character or want to abuse a character for any purpose, but to add a little more depth to them. But for I don't know where I am at the moment, I thik I will be seperated from my other character for a long time and will thus try to start "my own live" here."

1064-3: You say to Snarogh (a man in his twenties): "Not to rain on your parade, but there aren't families in Cantr because people are spawned, not born, and anyway, your "sister" is in another city so there's no way you can possibly know anything about her. It's against the rules to use OOC knowledge of your other characters in game."

1064-3: Snarogh (a man in his twenties) says: "Snarog is a naormal name the place I come from. And that far away is. And a sister is a female person related to you. I am trying to find her. Lost her on the way."


1064-3: Snarogh (a man in his twenties) says: "You are so nice friendly people. I am still looking for my big sister Wrumfundel, who wanted to meet me here. Is there a place called Krininini or such around here?"

1064-3: Snarogh (a man in his twenties) says: "Hallo, Snarogh I am and new I am in this Land. A refugee I am and searching for my sister Wrumfundel I do. Where am I and who are you all?"

[Anthony Roberts]

In a sense, he is in the gray area.

Why?

It's not DEFINED where a character that spawns comes from. Remember, everyone starts at the age of 20. So, this means:

- You came from the ground, starting at the age of 20.
- You were a child growing up in the area, until the age of 20.
- Any other number of possibilities.

It's also not defined about families. Sure, it wouldn't be possible to be a relitive to someone, since babies and junk haven't been introduced yet, however, there's also no rule saying that you can't 'pretend' that you have family. He could, in fact, be lying that he comes from another land, and lying that he has a sister.

Remember, sister is just a "word". It could mean a female sibling. It could also mean a woman of the church. Point being, it's a word and is only interprited based on the listener/reader. So, in this instance, however, he stated it was his sibling, which in effect, would be impossible with game mechanics, but I doubt anyone's going to say anything about that. Like, woopie.

Now, of course, if he said he was from another location that he wouldn't know about ("I'm from Ladvicitavoi!" ... No, no you're not...) or, if he was searching for his sister that is really another one of his characters, then yes, he would be very much in the wrong. But at the moment, I don't think Krininini is an actual game location (Can someone confirm?) and Wrumfundel doesn't sound like a character I've been introduced to yet.

But of course, it's all for the Players Department to decide.

[Lumin]

Well, my take on it that, while it may be okay if you want to say you grew up in the place they spawned into, there's no way you could be a "refugee" from some far off land, and in general you should try to avoid making specific references to family members or a complicated backstory or anything like that. I haven't heard of the place he mentioned either, but the fact that he said his sister wanted to meet him here (in Olip) made it sound like he was talking about another character of his. (and pretending another char is your relative or some other form of old acquaintance seems to be the most common CR breach of this type).

Plus, if he'd come from anywhere besides Olip west, we'd have seen him walk into town, wouldn't we?

[Agar]

I just wish him good luck getting to Kirinn (apparently) from Olip. There is a way, but he'll need a boat, lots of food and even more luck.

I think he should try to get more info on where his chars are in relation to each other before he starts trying to stretch the CR.

[Sunni Daez]

the man did say his "sister" was in Kirininin...Lol

[Missy]

It's not allowed, to discourage people from having their characters search for one another and then meet up. If you have them meet up, then you have a pair of close knit characters which we ask people to avoid unless absolutely necessary. (While the chances are slim that his characters will ever meet,) *Turns on the buzzer.* Not allowed, I'm afraid.

Also I might add that it's not allowed because you aren't allowed to have your characters acknowledge each other without having them meet IC'ly. (Regardless if they have a history of having a sister, it should deffinately not be one of your own characters.)

[west]

Missy's right (of course)

And there is a Wrumfondel in Kirinn, so he's not just makin' it up.

[Anthony Roberts]

Well, there ya have it.

He's in the wrong.

But of course, if he made up that location (Although very similiar to Kirinn in name) and made up the sister, then of course, my points would be valid. He's such a liar if that were true. "Look at meeeee, I'm from Kirindfad or whatever I said! I have a sister whatsherface living there, help me get there, eh?" "Dude... you just came from the GROUND, you don't HAVE a sister." "I was lying, shut up."

But of course, since he's not lying, and attempting to get to where his other character is...

*Jumps infront of Missy, pressing her buzzer, giggling all the while.* Teeheehee, buzz buzz.

[Lumin]

"Look at meeeee, I'm from Kirindfad or whatever I said! I have a sister whatsherface living there, help me get there, eh?"

Oooh, I just had an idea... Wouldn't work in the place you spawned into of course, you'd have to walk to the next town over.

[Anthony Roberts]

Not really.

Kirinn is damn far from Olipifirovash West.

It would be impossible for someone of that characters age to have come from there. (Ie: Check the list of people at the location. If that character is at the bottom, s/he's a liar.)

[Lumin]

Yeah, I know, but you don't have to say Kirinn, or any existing place at all. Just show up in a town and start asking people to fund you expedition to the long lost land of Kirantis, or something. (Though it still wouldn't work, because people will still know OOCly you're lying and find some excuse not to cooperate, even if technically their characters might be gullible little rubes who know nothing of geography...)

[Agar]

I do find it an amusing paradox that when newbs ask about places they can't possibily know about in character. See, because they're new, they don't know there's more than one landmass; but because the CR doesn't let anyone know that there's more than one landmass in character, we just get to point and laugh and send them nasty messages telling them they're idiots because they're new.

Funny little circular clique hazing.

[Missy]

I do find it an amusing paradox that when newbs ask about places they can't possibily know about in character. See, because they're new, they don't know there's more than one landmass; but because the CR doesn't let anyone know that there's more than one landmass in character, we just get to point and laugh and send them nasty messages telling them they're idiots because they're new.

Funny little circular clique hazing.

Thats besides the point; It does clearly mention that one character of yours should not automatically know of another of yours in a different location. (We don't gotta tell them there's different islands.) The fact that rule is mentioned should be good enough for someone not to try and get away with something like that.

Anyway, who was laughing?

[Revanael]

Yeah, I know, but you don't have to say Kirinn, or any existing place at all. Just show up in a town and start asking people to fund you expedition to the long lost land of Kirantis, or something. (Though it still wouldn't work, because people will still know OOCly you're lying and find some excuse not to cooperate, even if technically their characters might be gullible little rubes who know nothing of geography...)

Ah, but people organising expeditions to far-off lands which even the people organising the expedition have never been to DOES actually work.

[Nick]

Yeah, I know, but you don't have to say Kirinn, or any existing place at all. Just show up in a town and start asking people to fund you expedition to the long lost land of Kirantis, or something. (Though it still wouldn't work, because people will still know OOCly you're lying and find some excuse not to cooperate, even if technically their characters might be gullible little rubes who know nothing of geography...)

Ah, but people organising expeditions to far-off lands which even the people organising the expedition have never been to DOES actually work.

It wouldnt if those players didn't know OOC that there really is an island close to K-isle.