How common is sex in Cantr?

[AoM]

I haven't read the back-log of this topic, but here's my two cents on rape in Cantr:

I don't believe it can truly happen. Rape in a game like this is a thousand-fold more sinister than murder. In a game like cantr, we have a physical health bar... it can go to 0% and our characters can die. It can go to 50% and our character's ability to complete projects is compromised due to injury.

Rape is more than a physical crime. The act of rape takes a considerable toll on the minds of both the victim and the rapist. We have no "mental health" bar in cantr. There's no way to properly guage how our own characters can deal with trauma. There's no way we can bring our characters (as well as ourselves) to the deprived state where we feel the need to exert dominance over someone else through sex.

As there is no way to represent the effects of rape in-game, the major motives for rape become useless. Rape is used, in most cases, to show power. Without any effect, there is no display of power. The motive for the rape therefore, would have to come from the player. A person would want to have an evil character and would need a willing player to play an unwilling victim. If you got to this point where you as players could agree to this, then the trauma of the crime is gone. It isn't really a crime at all... it's more like watching actors in a play.

The only way you could possibly get rape to occur would be to program it in. That would mean programming sex in, and all the things that could come with it, such as a chance for pregnancy or VD's. Only then could rape exist in cantr.

~AoM

[Surly]

I agree with that. I really thing a lot of people would question rape in Cantr with the current system... especially as the victim could just ignore the raper... I personally think that a sex project would be a good thing, but it would be interesting to see the impact that it has on society and relationships. Especially if characters can get pregnant.

I would also like to state that if a mental health bar is ever implemented (which I somehow suspect will never happen...) I am going to stop playing...

[Anthony Roberts]

Umhmm.

You can't have rape without mutually agreeing players. If you don't, and the other player doesn't agree to it, and just ignores it, that beats the entire purpose of attemping that role playing in the first place.

But since the other person agrees to it, although their character 'plays' that they don't, then essentially rape doesn't exist if it's willing.

Which then means rape doesn't exist in Cantr. Because it can't exist. You can 'play' rape, but it surely can't happen. Just like you can 'play' washing yourself in the lake, but it surely can't happen.

[west]

I've seen someone RP the most violent rapes, entirely one-sided, giving the other person no chance to respond or anything.

Of course, I saw everyone else ignore it and just kill the person on general principal.

Good times.

[Pirog]

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I've seen someone RP the most violent rapes, entirely one-sided, giving the other person no chance to respond or anything.

If someone does this you can only kill them if you play like the rape has taken place. Otherwise it would cause a very unrealistic glitch in the game where you kill someone for crimes you then ignore.

It is better to simply act like the thing never happened and contact the Players Department.

Personally I would like to see the possibility of rape in Cantr though. Not because I'm some sick bastard that gets off on that, but because I would like functions from real life to be included in the game.

As mentioned earlier it can be arranged now between players who both agree on it and with a system including an "intercourse project" it would of course be possible to force someone into such a project with threats of killing them if they don't. That person would then of course be left with figting to death instead of getting raped, so all aspects of rape will not be included.

[Chrissy]

I think that is the worst idea ever, Pirog. Unless, the male characters are the ones that are going to get pregnant, and be the ones getting raped.

C.

[Pirog]

Why is that idea bad? The only argument I can find against such a method being allowed is your own moral against being able to rape people in the game...(and why would it then be ok if only men are victims? Or was that some kind of joke?)

And that method would of course allow women to rape men too...

[SekoETC]

I don't know about others but I always accept the possibility that some of my characters might get raped, even if who ever does it wouldn't ask me if it's ok, even if I didn't even know who it was. I'm not the kind of person who ignores rp, I would only if it was totally unrealistic auto-hitting. If you are in a locked building, there's not much you can do. Or think about a deserted location, or a lonely road, there you can run but they can still follow. Even if nothing happens, the fear remains there somewhere, under the surface. And fear can be much worse than the thing itself.

[Chrissy]

It's a bad a idea because my female characters don't want any children. And don't want to be forced into doing so. That would be awful.

I didn't think about that it would go both ways, your right, and that is more fair. I put myself on the other side of it, and there's few male characters mine wouldn't mind raping But, when I really thought about forcing my char on another char, I realised it's a very sad, sad, idea. So from viewing both sides, I still think rape should not be possible in Cantr.

C.

[Pirog]

It's a bad a idea because my female characters don't want any children. And don't want to be forced into doing so. That would be awful.

All my characters want to live...so the though of someone murdering them is equally awful. Cantr needs some awful things to spice it up.

[kinvoya]

Since Cantr accepts players as young as 14 I don't beleive that any kind of forced sexual encounters would be appropriate. This is supposed to be a family-friendly game, I believe.

I am an adult woman and when one of my characaters found herself in what seemed like a potential rape situation at one point, it totally freaked me out. I would have never in a million years cooperated in such roleplay and, fortuanately, it was quickly resolved but I would not like to see someone who is young and/or emotionally vulnerable in such a situation - especially if they felt that the capital rule obligated them to participate in such a horrific scenario.

Rape in any form is not a game, it's not "spicey" or entertaining. It doesn't belong in this game.

[Neelix]

If a rape would be done in game, then there would have to be some game mechanic so that the attacked player can try to resists and have a chance of getting out, etc.
Since we don't have access to those hidden stats, we can't know whether this would work or not and it's a bit hard to roleplay that.

And the idea that the players would agree on it beforehand and then roleplay it is entirely likely. You are roleplaying your characters, not playing those characters.

But with younger players around, it doesn't seem like a good idea indeed.


Summarizing: Yes, I think it would be possible to have rape in Cantr, perhaps with some game mechanics, but since there are younger players, it's not a good idea to do it.

[Pirog]

It still surprises me a great deal that sexual content is such a provocative thing to so many people. In this situation it is taken to it's extreme of course, but as fast as anything sexual comes up people start to hollar about 14 year olds.

Isn't it time to wake up a bit? The average 14 year old with an internet connection probably knows more about sex and pornography than their adults ever will. Have you all forgotten about how it is to be 14?!?!

And how can murder and torture be appropriate for young people when sex is not? Some of you seem to live in some Victorian era where sex is dirty and should be hidden away...

[SekoETC]

Oh, sweet teenage... No, I didn't have no damn sex, I got too much zits for guys to even look at me without vomiting - figuratively (gosh that's a hard word to spell) speaking. But soon after we got an internet connection and I learned how to use a chatroom, holy crap what stuff I was writing. How many times have I told this but anyway, I'll remember forever how someone said how can you be so cruel when you're only 15? Or was it 16, I don't know... Biggest line-crossing was a story about a cooking program where they cut out and barbique a woman's --- Ok this would end up being censored anyway so I'll just save your time.

[Jetlag]

According to this poll, around a third of the adult population of Cantr would not want to roleplay sex. We're not just shouting about 14 year olds, and when we are, it's not just out of being prudish, but out of being aware of the blame culture we live in.

Games and roleplay already gets an awful lot of blame when young people do stupid things. If Cantr featured sex more heavily, or if rape happened with any kind of frequency, it would open itself up to being a scapegoat for all those 14 year olds who end up getting pregnant or whatever.

Yes, any kid with a connection can get at all sorts of stuff. So they don't need to get at it here. If/when someone young or innocent enough "gets corrupted" by what they find on the internet, then should we not at least be able to say "it wasn't Cantr"?

As to the oddity that murder is fine but rape isn't, yes it is odd. But that's the way a lot of people think, and that's the way it is throughout western culture (I don't know about beyond that) - see all the shoot-em-ups, cartoon violence, film rating systems. Whether it makes any logical sense or not, they all agree that rape is worse than murder as subject matter for any kind of entertainment.