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Solfius
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Postby Solfius » Tue Oct 21, 2003 8:34 pm

religions do tend to be similar in principle hough don't they? Many in RL have gods etc.
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Postby rklenseth » Tue Oct 21, 2003 8:41 pm

JherodJ wrote:many ideas are original RK even when they spring up in completely different areas,I`m in Blaman I dont consider it communist,cantr city I`ll give you,It seems like a socialist state.
The simple fact is,How did the idea of democracy get to Quill? SOMEONE MADE IT UP AND MENTIONED IT THERE.People followed suit.
If my character in Quill decides to be the first philospher,which now that I`m suffiecently aggravated,he just might.You will be hearing hundreds of words you don`t like,but that`s the essencse of this game.inputting base ideas to allow a system to form or likewise to tear and existing one down.
Let`s talk of religion,How many are there? Don`t most resemble each other? I have seen no religions that are completely unique most look the same and borrow from each other with an original idea thrown in once in awhile.That`s about how the governments are also with two main types council(republican) or facsism(king,leader,etc.) Now when I try to insert something why is that wrong?These arn`t things I got from looking at other places,these are the observations and ramblings of my characters,So if you can tell me communism doesnt exist and shouldnt be mentioned,please explain to me where this "represenitive democracy" sprang from....Oh no wait let me guess,A character who`s player just got bored and thought it would be a good system of government,That HE/SHE obviously saw in RL.

I`m done with this,But I won`t put up with the hypocracy.


Blaman was once a communist before the BEST Company took over and to answer your OOC comment in-game, I do have character that supports a socialistic structure. Easle Quathak doesn't know what communism is so he can't support or not support or it. The idea communism has never been introduced to Quillanoi and your character talked as if it existed already but it doesn't. That is what I'm trying to explain to you but you're being an asshole about it. Representative Democracy was introduce long before my characters were ever in Quillanoi so it already existed. Some places create governmental structures but tag on new names to for them others tag on the real world names for them after the idea has been introduced to other characters. Have your character introduce communism first, the idea and then tag a name to it whether it be from the real world or your own made up name.

Communism is a ideal, an offbeat of Marxism, created by Lenin. It is liberal compared to facism but socialistic form of government. It is not a structure of government.
Facism is a socialistic conservatism ideal not a form of govenrment and totally different from that of a king which is a monarchy.

No most religions in game don't resemble each other. I have some characters who are a part of some of them.
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Postby JherodJ » Tue Oct 21, 2003 8:46 pm

not really we use to call all organized belief systems religions now the ones we dont like on a collective level we call cults,research religions throughout the world and you will see some worship god(s),some plants,some there ancestors,some the smartest IMO worship themselves.Many are atheiest and many have opinion but don`t share in cantr all I`ve seen is the type that worships a god of somekind.What about a religion that worships a man/woman as a god in cantr? or the humble potatoe? or truly diverse ideas about belief systems in general,here on earth there much more diverse if you look.Where are the "evil" religions? the only analogy I can make that everyone will understand is Devil-worshippers.Where are the? Where is the diversity?
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Postby rklenseth » Tue Oct 21, 2003 8:48 pm

I have a character that worships his ancestors. I also know of characters who worship carrots.
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Postby rklenseth » Tue Oct 21, 2003 8:50 pm

Evil religions - Larry's Church of the Insane.

I have research religion and I know a lot about it. I don't understanf wahy you keep trying to insult me but frankly you're beginning to get me pissed off.
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Postby Solfius » Tue Oct 21, 2003 8:53 pm

about religions we don't like being called cults, well the only cult in Cantr isn't the slightest bit relgious. Sorry.
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Postby JherodJ » Tue Oct 21, 2003 8:54 pm

well its nice to get a history lesson but your wrong fascism is a form of government the german himmler put it best fascism is the WILL of the furher(leader) When one man says how everything works that is a fascist government.Thats not an idea thats a practice and im not trying to be an asshole im trying to develop a character The word commune and communism should be known to people and I felt it already was.The simple fact is you wont explain how represenitive democracy came into being.It`s because it was brought into cantr the same way communism just was in quill,No harm no foul.So some characters have never heard of communism in Quill?Odd because I`m sure No one had ever heard any words.Than the first character spoke and we all knew what he/she meant and we talked back,We didnt say dont use big words no one has ever heard before Mister.
So one again I find your argument invalid and plain crazy.
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Postby JherodJ » Tue Oct 21, 2003 9:01 pm

It`s good to know there are some crazy ones;)Religions that is.I`m not trying to piss you off RK but you did me so I guess its fair:))and I`m not trying to insult your intelligence.I`m simply saying look around the RW and cantr,and get some perspective.No words I use in game are wrong to use unless Im saying something about somewhere else in game i should know nothing about.I don`t think analyzing Quill`s government is one of those things.Perhaps you do,but if you do than you must admit,every word ever spoken in cantr was a breach of the capital rule seeing no one ever taught the characters to speak..

how bout you right up a dictionary and post it so I know what words and ideals I can use and what I can not
An approved language base for cantr:)) Damn fascist:P
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And contrary-wise

-what it is, it wouldn't be.

And what it wouldn't be,

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Postby Solfius » Tue Oct 21, 2003 9:03 pm

ok, this arguement has stopped being interesting.

This arguement arose due to a subtle point, mainly Jehord (sorry if thts speeled wrong) inferred communism was already present in the game, instead of using a style of speech that made it sound like he was making it up and sharing his ideas.

Can we all see what I mean? Good, now that's settled lets talk about something else and forgive and forget about this episode...
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Postby Jos Elkink » Tue Oct 21, 2003 9:50 pm

That's mean, Solfius :) ... While reading, I get all those replies coming up in my mind, and then when I'm at the end, I'm forbidden to say them :) ...
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Postby Solfius » Tue Oct 21, 2003 9:53 pm

well, so long as they don't bring us back to the-argument-we-aren't-going-to-talk about, then that's ok.
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Postby new.vogue.nightmare » Tue Oct 21, 2003 9:57 pm

Bleh, too much word make Oni head spin. o.O;;
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Postby Báng » Tue Oct 21, 2003 10:01 pm

I switched off after about page 6. lol.
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Postby Meh » Wed Oct 22, 2003 1:58 pm

Dammit I missed a chance to get into a good arguement.
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Postby rklenseth » Wed Oct 22, 2003 2:09 pm

And I suspect you would have been on JherodJ's side, right, David? I've notice how we always disagree and get into spirited debates. :D

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