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Postby watermelonnose » Sun Oct 12, 2003 8:24 pm

There are a couple of things that need to be improved in the game so that the economy of an area can be more interactive.

1. Tools and weapons should wear needing to be resharpen and eventually replaced. (this already suggested by someone)

2. Food production is way to easy. One potato harvester can feed the whole town making food a low value item. Food is the only thing that a character needs to stay alive, so it should have one of the highest values in game. With a high value food could be an item used to back a money system.

An individual player should only be able to survive on a subsistence level when collecting their own food. Characters should be saying, "I have a sabre, etc. can I please trade for some food. :shock: "
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Postby Faith no more » Sun Oct 12, 2003 8:35 pm

:twisted: Food is really easy to come by take Siom for example Over 3 million grams of potatoes on the ground
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Postby Jos Elkink » Mon Oct 13, 2003 10:02 am

All these suggestions are already being worked on ... it's just lack of time on the part of the programming department that keeps it from progressing. Too much time goes into bug tracing.

But decay of weapons and other tools will someday be programmed, as will land scarcity (which makes farming harder).
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Postby JherodJ » Tue Oct 21, 2003 6:54 pm

Just to reply to the original question I`ve been watching several cities for a few weeks now,and Quill is about the worst,Do largely to the fact of the large,incompetant beurocracy,and the insecure government figures.
It is a very conservative and paranoid state.It is not open to suggestion or change unless a duly "elected" official suggesting the change and it is still vehentemently opposed. It often seems to have its collective head wedged up it`s ass.
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Postby new.vogue.nightmare » Tue Oct 21, 2003 7:06 pm

Yyyyep, a bureaucratic quagmire. Tons of fun for everyone!

...and by "Fun" I mean frustrating boredom caused by enless pointless rambling."

Sorta like Tircqi was not too long ago. What with the neverending political debates.
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Postby Solfius » Tue Oct 21, 2003 7:12 pm

Personally I quite like Quill being bogged down in a beuratic quagmire, because it allows non-governmental groups to actually do something without compeeting with the government, as I'm sure most people's idea of an effecicient government is something like Siom where the government organises everything
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Postby new.vogue.nightmare » Tue Oct 21, 2003 7:20 pm

Yezzzz.....
The good thing about a bureaucracy is that the person who is supposed to be in charge really doesn't have that much power, and the only person who does know who's really in charge is in fact the one pulling all the strings behind the scenes, muwahahaha :twisted:
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Postby rklenseth » Tue Oct 21, 2003 7:36 pm

I think the problem with Quillanoi is that there are too few people who don't want to be in the government or work with the government. They want immediate change, like change it right now. I think most people don't understand what representative democracy is which is what Quillanoi is. Though maybe there characters don't understand. Then there are the characters who want a socialistic state in Quillanoi (like they want everywhere else in Cantr; I swear we have some people from some sort of socialist political group playing because there seems to be always characters who want something od that style in every place) and then there are characters who want a true democracy and there are some that I believe just want power for themselves.

Plus you need to know what a beaurcracy is. A beaurcracy is anyone who is not an elected official of the state. That means they are hired or appointed. The Senator and the Town Guard is a beaurcracy but the Council and President aren't because they are elected officials.

I think the problem lies in the characters that I mentioned above. It is the characters outside the government that is debunking the government and questioning its every decision no matter what it does.

I think people hate Quillanoi because they aren't in power and they want to be but they can't. Or they want a different govermental structure but know that they can't get it.
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Postby JherodJ » Tue Oct 21, 2003 7:51 pm

You need to know what a beaurocracy is-a bearocracy is a governemt split into different compartments or bearuos.What you describe is a beaurocrat-someone who operates or is part of one of these compartments.
Now the prob with Quill is people like you,do you expect every character to agree?Is it not a free society? It`s very easy to divert this all to a commie conspiracy but that is not the case.I.E maybe some dont know what a represenitive democracy is but I can tell you seeing as I live in one in RL.
The leaders are not naieve enough to think all the people will always agree with whatever doctrine is established.People are allowed to air there concerns and suggest changes.The biggest problem is not people knowing what represenitvie democracy is.We know all to well,its the elected officials of Quill who misinterpret what it actually is.It`s not suppose to be a facsist state where when you don`t like what I`m saying you imply I`m somehow cheating or my character isn`t allowed to insert new ideas.That`s ludicrous!
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Postby JherodJ » Tue Oct 21, 2003 7:54 pm

P.S. would you work with a government or buissness that constantly bends you over?NM you probally already do.
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Postby Solfius » Tue Oct 21, 2003 7:56 pm

IMO everyone works for a government that "bends them over", although maybe indirectly, but that is just one of my politcal opinons
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Postby rklenseth » Tue Oct 21, 2003 8:06 pm

JherodJ wrote:You need to know what a beaurocracy is-a bearocracy is a governemt split into different compartments or bearuos.What you describe is a beaurocrat-someone who operates or is part of one of these compartments.
Now the prob with Quill is people like you,do you expect every character to agree?Is it not a free society? It`s very easy to divert this all to a commie conspiracy but that is not the case.I.E maybe some dont know what a represenitive democracy is but I can tell you seeing as I live in one in RL.
The leaders are not naieve enough to think all the people will always agree with whatever doctrine is established.People are allowed to air there concerns and suggest changes.The biggest problem is not people knowing what represenitvie democracy is.We know all to well,its the elected officials of Quill who misinterpret what it actually is.It`s not suppose to be a facsist state where when you don`t like what I`m saying you imply I`m somehow cheating or my character isn`t allowed to insert new ideas.That`s ludicrous!


Alright, since you want to go down this path and 'blame' my characters for stuff then go ahead but I want evidence, character's names, and what they did.

If the people didn't want what was happening why did they vote in the Constitution in the first place and then vote in those elected officials....hmmmm.....I wonder. And how is Quillanoi facist? Are you locked up? Your comments about communism has never been heard of before in Quillanoi and communism doesn't exist yet in Cantr but your character was talking about it as if it was already in existence. The only places that has ever been close to communism or socialism is Blaman and Cantr City and they are somewhat far away from Quillanoi.

A beaurcracy is non-elected officials in a government. Am I wrong?
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Postby Solfius » Tue Oct 21, 2003 8:11 pm

It's that long a journey from Quill to Blaman, I've done it and comparable journies many a time, but I see your point
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Postby JherodJ » Tue Oct 21, 2003 8:24 pm

many ideas are original RK even when they spring up in completely different areas,I`m in Blaman I dont consider it communist,cantr city I`ll give you,It seems like a socialist state.
The simple fact is,How did the idea of democracy get to Quill? SOMEONE MADE IT UP AND MENTIONED IT THERE.People followed suit.
If my character in Quill decides to be the first philospher,which now that I`m suffiecently aggravated,he just might.You will be hearing hundreds of words you don`t like,but that`s the essencse of this game.inputting base ideas to allow a system to form or likewise to tear and existing one down.
Let`s talk of religion,How many are there? Don`t most resemble each other? I have seen no religions that are completely unique most look the same and borrow from each other with an original idea thrown in once in awhile.That`s about how the governments are also with two main types council(republican) or facsism(king,leader,etc.) Now when I try to insert something why is that wrong?These arn`t things I got from looking at other places,these are the observations and ramblings of my characters,So if you can tell me communism doesnt exist and shouldnt be mentioned,please explain to me where this "represenitive democracy" sprang from....Oh no wait let me guess,A character who`s player just got bored and thought it would be a good system of government,That HE/SHE obviously saw in RL.

I`m done with this,But I won`t put up with the hypocracy.
"Nothing would be what it is,

Because everything would be what it isn't.

And contrary-wise

-what it is, it wouldn't be.

And what it wouldn't be,

it would.

You see?"
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Postby JherodJ » Tue Oct 21, 2003 8:25 pm

I agree Solfius all governments/buissnesses bend there people over,But at the very least some are kind enough to give a reach around;)
"Nothing would be what it is,

Because everything would be what it isn't.

And contrary-wise

-what it is, it wouldn't be.

And what it wouldn't be,

it would.

You see?"

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