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[The Industriallist]

I'd guess others have more feeling on this...but I have a few reasons. I wouldn't care except that as more features are added, cantrians are being molded closer and closer to humans...and widely accepted RP makes them closer than the game features do. I'd really be happier if they weren't, at least with wild coloration and so on.

-I really find no appeal in anime. And if cantr is going to be brought closer to either RL of some 'art' form, I'd much rather it not be one I find generally odius...(a bit selfish, probably) Bonus: making it look like anime would very likely encourage anime-derived behavior...which doen't make sense in cantr.

-If I have to picture them as humans, which the current and future features are working to force, I'd rather be able to do so...I can imagine orange entities easily enough, but not orange-haired (or green-haired) humans. Let alone skin, or eyes... Just doesn't work...dyed hair is odd, but chromatic hair just doesn't compute.

-I don't want to annoy anyone too badly. And while I doubt anyone worthwhile would quit because no one has green hair, I can imagine people doing so if they found that people DID.

[kinvoya]

I'm confused now.

I thought I read somewhere that it has been established that Cantrians are human even though they can't do everything that humans can do right now (like reproduce).

Granted they might turn out to be humans with unusually colored hair, eyes and skin.

[SekoETC]

At the moment having a green skinned character is a breach (remember that ork reported) so why should it be changed? I could play a green one or a blue one if they lived on an island where that is natural, but I'd hate seeing Cantr turning into a place where there are every colour of the rainbow in the same town, or even having different looks in neighbouring locations. Like stated many times great variances develop only after a long period of separation. So we may have a basic look for each island with small variations, but within reason. I would like to find the article about what causes different hair colours, since I remember there was something like a blonde in fact has all red particles but because there's no some other particle it doesn't show up as red?

[Pirog]

What I am curious about is... why are people so afraid or loathing of far out colors? Described color in a text based game it seems is an arbitrary thing. Did you people hate cartoons when you grew up or something?

My problem is that, just like cartoons with wacky colors, it would be hard for me to take Cantr "seriously" if people looked like they had been painted with crayons. Since the game makes an effort to be a realistic society simulator I think realism and seriousness is important to keep Cantr interesting.
That is also why I don't like the modern technologies. It will be hard for me to take the game seriously when you call your friends on the cell phone so they can come over with the van and help out, dressed in fur loin clothes and armed with simple stone hammers...it will just be silly and uninteresting.

Industrialist also brings up a valuable point:

And while I doubt anyone worthwhile would quit because no one has green hair, I can imagine people doing so if they found that people DID.

[Missy]

I don't like the idea of far out colors, because this isn't a alien generator or fantasy realm. (As far as I know..) Thus a character with green skin makes me feel like I'd be playing a gremlin or monster of sorts.

[The Sociologist]

Well OK this is probably my last post in this thread... *looks startled as everyone heaves huge sighs of relief*

There seems a general consensus against things like green hair. I'm not a tree. I'd also recommend staying away from descriptions like 'black' hair and any use of the word 'dark'. That's to avoid any danger at all of nicknames like 'blackie' or 'darkie', etc. One could have 'raven' hair instead. And of course we stick to hair and eye color only, no skin color whatsoever.

Then for eyes there are lots of terms for green such as 'emerald', 'viridian', etc and also for blue such as 'cerulean' and so on. I hope all of these translate accross languages, but they should as far as I know. And in Cantr each of these would obviously be a clearly separate color. Similarly ash blonde hair, platinum blonde and so on.

Finally, these colors are distributed in realistic broader geographical swathes, like all the Pok Mountains one thing, and so on.

And that much I could live with. Frankly I woudn't say it's hugely significant to my playing experience. I remain much more interested in things like clothing colors, medallions derived from local animals, tattoos and things which allow people to mark or brand themselves in unique ways.
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[SekoETC]

That's just silly because there are no ravens in Cantr, or no emeralds, of course it sounds poetic but all this circling around just sucks. No one has anything against people being Caucasian in game but if someone would want to implement Africans then it would raise a terrible fuss. *shakes head* I want distinct human groups in Cantr. Ok we can mix them up if people are so sensitive, we can have white people with negrid facial structure, black people with slanty Asian eyes and red-haired Asians.

[Pirog]

The Sociologist>

You are taking your effort to be politically correct to a level where it does more harm than good.

[The Industriallist]

The Sociologist>

You are taking your effort to be politically correct to a level where it does more harm than good.

To my mild alarm, absolute agreement.

Incidentally...
*heaves huge sigh of relief*

[Revanael]

The kind of semi-positive discrimination you're describing, socialist, is one of the most stupid things in our current world.

Why is that sort of thing an issue? It makes no difference!

And if racial prejudice develops in cantr - then so be it! It's a society simulator, and if something happened in our real life world, then there's probably as much realistic chance of it happening in game. And it probably SHOULD happen.

[AoM]

Right, my last post in this topic. *winces at the large amount of cheering and rejoicing*

Since the majority don't want far-out colors (even though it'd be a way around the whole race issue), I'll respect it, and declare it a non-issue. So screw green hair and purple eyes! (unless we implement dyes, then I will argue for hair dye color. woot.)

But at least put in differences of race that we see in the real world. Nobody's going to sue anyone. I want to see black hair, narrow eyes, and yes, black, asian, and arabic skin tones as well. Not because I want to discriminate against them, but because I think it would be cool and certainly worthwhile to include them.

~AoM

[The Industriallist]

I agree that you shouldn't avoid real characteristics that might trigger particularly stupid people to OOC discrimination. But if you want to be a little cautious, and perhaps a little better in other ways as well...you could try not to make the particular combinations that are recognized as RL racial groupings. Make african-haired, caucasian-skinned, narrow eyed groups and such instead.

[SekoETC]

Dude didn't I just say that?

[The Industriallist]

Dude didn't I just say that?

You did indeed...credit duely given. *bows*

[Pirog]

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