Game changes - discussion about implemented changes.

[MattWithoos]

I really like the changes.

Yeah, the changes are great. A step in the right direction for sure. Kudos to all the people behind them.

[Alutka]

On the other hand,

1. honey is actually 3.6% per day
2. it is a guaranteed amount (no project randomness / variance)
3. importantly can be built anywhere

Actually honey is more like 3,3% (or 3,2% depending on which herb you use) per day if you take into consideration that you need to gather herbs.
Potato omelette gives more or less 7%, same goes for cookies, healing mixtures. Popcorn gives about 12% (or up to 15% if you cook using propane) etc. My point is that basically close to every location you can find resources which you can turn into healing food way more efficiently than honey.

[MattWithoos]

That's a fair point. Hm, does honey weigh less than the others? I guess the one thing honey has - is that regardless of whether there is even any food in the area, you can still make it.

[Alutka]

That's a fair point. Hm, does honey weigh less than the others? I guess the one thing honey has - is that regardless of whether there is even any food in the area, you can still make it.

You can still make it assuming there are herbs, and those are not found everywhere. Honey is just a bit lighter than popcorn and onion, but heavier than potato omelette. That's why I say it turned pretty useless as it is now. I like the idea of honey not being an automatic project, but now it' is completely unbalanced.

[Rebma]

You can still make it assuming there are herbs, and those are not found everywhere.

I don't know what game you're playing but herbs and flowers are so commonplace that they have ZERO trade value in three of the language group area's I have travelled and played in. Even in the English zone in areas with no readily available herbs or flowers growing close by in surrounding towns getting "seeds" is as easy as asking someone. And it's still super cheap to grow herbs and flowers. (Wells can be built anywhere too!) If you don't even have to pay/trade for herbs, then I'd say they're common and easy enough to come by, and added with the fact theyre cheap to grow and honey can be made anywhere and is fixed output, it more than balances the way it is now.

[Rebma]

Oops.

[Alutka]

You can still make it assuming there are herbs, and those are not found everywhere.

I don't know what game you're playing but herbs and flowers are so commonplace that they have ZERO trade value in three of the language group area's I have travelled and played in

So are potatoes which can be turned into omelette. All my characters have resources close by which are way more effective than honey. Even croissants are better now.

[Greek]

You can still make it assuming there are herbs, and those are not found everywhere.

I don't know what game you're playing but herbs and flowers are so commonplace that they have ZERO trade value in three of the language group area's I have travelled and played in

So are potatoes which can be turned into omelette. All my characters have resources close by which are way more effective than honey. Even croissants are better now.

That's great, isn't it? Regional resources available in the area are better than a resource whose availability everywhere in the world is the same.

Anyway, there are many other processed and raw resources, which have the same or even worse efficiency.
Simple and flat healing system always promotes a few the most efficient raws while the others are used much less often. Changing values won't be any difference (unless all resources would be set the same efficiency and gathering rate), it would require a more significant change of the system.

[Alutka]

I agree with that, Greek. The good thing about honey though was that it was a good reason for trading herbs. I think it would be great if some additional recipes followed making honey more useful (not necessarily as healing food). As it is now honey is another resource that won't really be gathered, like asparagus for example.

[SekoETC]

As it is now honey is another resource that won't really be gathered, like asparagus for example.

You kidding me? Asparagus when harvested with a harvest knife is the most efficient way of making vegetable feed.

[Millhouse]

As it is now honey is another resource that won't really be gathered, like asparagus for example.

You kidding me? Asparagus when harvested with a harvest knife is the most efficient way of making vegetable feed.

Not true. Carrots harvested with a fueled harvester are the best. Even calculating fuel costs.

Edit: And I agree honey is a bit pointless to make now unless there are some new recipes are added.

[SekoETC]

Well, at least asparagus is better than potatoes. If carrots are on the other side of the island and you might have to pay taxes to use the harvester, you can't get the favorable rates.

[Millhouse]

Asparagus also was the most efficient raw vegetable. I don't know if they've already been nerfed, but if you collected it with a harvest knife then one day would feed you for 31 days. No other crop gets near that.

[SekoETC]

As far as I know, it's still at 31 days. It's pretty ridiculous. Even roasted potatoes are only 21 meals per day of work. Okay, maybe more if you use petrol to harvest the potatoes and get it at a good rate. It doesn't make any sense that absolutely no cooked food is more efficient than raw food. Why do people even cook when it doesn't pay off? I wouldn't eat raw asparagus or potatoes in real life. When Cantr was created, there were no fueled harvests. Then again back in 1166 which is my oldest turn report, potatoes were still eaten at 100 grams a day. The eating rates have been adjusted in the past and can be adjusted again.

[SekoETC]

Good job on the new recipes, RD. I was worried how it would turn out, but the new recipes fit the spirit of Cantr while introducing new uses for underused resources.

Oh yeah and I made an error in my previous post. I meant to write 31 days but I wrote 31 grams. It doesn't allow me to edit this late anymore.