Does anyone still enjoy the game?

[BagRich]

If a town needs to go then the players can make it happen. You should not force it to not happen again..And making an island for war kinda takes the whole idea of the game and stamps on it. Tea was added to the game it should stay in the game.

[Tiamo]

Killing off (groups of) characters is not good for the game. It makes people leave.

Making things happen or stirring things up (game induced or player induced) is. It makes people play.
Making characters (need to) cooperate on some harder goals is. It makes people plan things (adding involvement), makes them communicate/interact.

Edit: i wish there would be other options besides just drag&kill characters. Like tieing, robbing or pickpocketing.

[sherman]

Just like Tiamo said. I am damn sure killing 25-30 people will harm a game lot. Everyone of those is played by player so you affect 25-30 players. And even if only 50% quits, get sleepy or something it is damn hurting to game. We need better solution than this kind of things.

We all agree we need more people. Killing current chars doesn't exactly help with that. Sure you get life but on long term I am damn sure cons wins the pros

[sherman]

Alright, I might sound ranting so here's my opinions for reasons why things are what they are. Again personal opinions based on my own experiences with game.

1. Difficulties to find same minded people


With people so thinly spread out and player base being small it's harder to find people with similar mind set. Like for sailing or for business. It's good thing but if you don't find it might just get you frustrated

2. Distances


This is probably more about personal opinion but I have found people complaining how it takes for ever to travel. Animal taming helped with this but I assume main problem is still that walking takes forever

3. Different wake hours

Even with big towns you might have still people with different wake hours. Meaning it's harder to be online same time and so people are quiet or get bored cause nobody is awake same time to interact. Now this is a bit situation dependent but fact is people want to play when they are online and just looking for screen with nothing happening isn't fun.

4. Amount of stuff.

Okay our world has lots of stuff and vehicles and empty towns. So it's fairly easy to get more stuff. It also means there's no challenge or then you are unfortunate to not get share of that... So yes, hoarding is a problem

5. Lone wolves and co-operation

I have seen so many people wanting to start own town and then kill that char off then their town didn't work. With current playerbase making any new towns is a bit silly, we should get more closer than making more small towns. Personal opinion but when everyone wants own town it gets a problem. Also co-operation.. People aren't exactly working together. It's like everyone does their own thing and working together is just thing you do then needed. Again doesn't apply always but what I have seen it seems to be that everyone just does their own thing. Or maybe it's that all have different goals and same minded just don't meet here... Hard to say

6. RP-elitism

A bit OOC thing but many tend to look down for you if you don't meet their definition of good rp. Every people is unique and we even have some kids playing so this isn't good thing, all rp should be equal.

[Money]

5. Lone wolves and co-operation

I have seen so many people wanting to start own town and then kill that char off then their town didn't work. With current playerbase making any new towns is a bit silly, we should get more closer than making more small towns. Personal opinion but when everyone wants own town it gets a problem. Also co-operation.. People aren't exactly working together. It's like everyone does their own thing and working together is just thing you do then needed. Again doesn't apply always but what I have seen it seems to be that everyone just does their own thing. Or maybe it's that all have different goals and same minded just don't meet here... Hard to say

Just wanted to address this point as I think the various reasons this "new town" idea keeps occurring to people haven't been fully explored. As far as I can tell a lot of people try start a new town because they want the chance to either (A) take on a leadership/political role, (B) create something new or (C) some combination of the two. In my opinion these are some of the greatest motivators a player of Cantr can have, Cantr needs these types of players to thrive and create interesting environments in which fresh RP and simulation can occur.

People have talked about the need to share hoarded things a lot lately but I think that in addition to this a discussion of the need to share or give up power has to take place. Leadership positions in major towns are "hoarded" at least as often as resources are, this incentivizes players interested in such a role to leave and attempt creating a new settlement if they don't want to wait around for immortal leaders to kick the bucket. Furthermore even those who do stick around need to deal with the uncertainty that these positions often have surrounding rules of inheritance, the possibility that they may never get a chance if they don't happen to pick up the keys dropped at the time of a leader's death is a strong one.

I get that players are attached to the societies that they have built up around themselves and that they worry about passing the torch to the next generation, but strangling creativity by keeping relations of power stagnant for centuries leads to a dead end and stale rp. I believe a shift in focus needs to occur in the community, hoarding of social capital is impacting this game negatively at least as much as hoarding material capital is.

[sherman]

A valid point there. Sadly starting new town is just silly due fact it's hard to get people and then people starting them might quit. Not their fault but how things currently are new towns aren't very easy to start. It would be better option if existing towns could offer such things (Though then there are things like that but people aren't using such chance. Which is sad. I know one example of such opportunity not used)

[BagRich]

Very true. If a large town helps restart a town they can have a say. Have the control they want still..But new..or young players will get what they want. I see republics and kingdoms and the like with one location..maybe two or three but they are ignored utterly. You cant run more then one town thats just life. We must care however about more then our own towns. Help. Invest! Helping restart a settlment honestly is a win win for all involved. Players need a challenge. Thats a challenge that is no way will get anyone killed or usurp power.

[sherman]

I have to say one thing about those who want to start a town.. All I have seen have done so on island with already problems with people or more like awake people. So even if towns would want to help they simply can't due shortage of people. Which also makes them not wanting to invest such things cause it would be off from somewhere. Even if it would be win win in long run people usually look for things in short run.

So it would be better if political interested could do so in their own towns for now. We have had some things like that but people haven't been exactly interested about them

[yougo]

Just like Tiamo said. I am damn sure killing 25-30 people will harm a game lot. Everyone of those is played by player so you affect 25-30 players. And even if only 50% quits, get sleepy or something it is damn hurting to game. We need better solution than this kind of things.

We all agree we need more people. Killing current chars doesn't exactly help with that. Sure you get life but on long term I am damn sure cons wins the pros

I am not for the killing of 25-30 people all at once. I welcome in game additions that add to the defense of a person/town. In fact, I am for more DEFENSIVE options that offensive.

However, just to clarify about the slaughter of Seatown Hills, my character did it for a valid in game reason (revenge). Furthermore, this was not unannounced killing. There were several warning signs that Seatown Hills could have seen had they not been so sleep. I mean people from the Emerald Republic went into the town and started construction a building and putting in rooms with locks on it and no one said a word.

Not to mention the fact that:

1) there were other towns that were allied with Seatown Hills involved in destroying the Emerald Empire before Seatown Hills was massacred that many in the town knew were destroyed.

2) My character left notes all over the place explaining what towns/people were going to be massacred as pay back.

3) and my character would go on the radio ALL THE TIME announcing people who were killed as payback.

My character was very blatant. If you were too sleepy to see the warning signs and either leave or prepare yourself for a war it was your own fault for not being aware in game.

Bring on the defensive options for town. And bring back tea!

[BagRich]

Town walls would be amazing. a large project to get a town awake a little to help build. you can do different styles and sizes. you get the idea. But yea I remember all those warnings. Never thought it was going to be done. no one did.

[yougo]

Town walls would be amazing. a large project to get a town awake a little to help build. you can do different styles and sizes. you get the idea. But yea I remember all those warnings. Never thought it was going to be done. no one did.

Who did you play?

[BagRich]

lol No comment. I never kiss and tell. That being said it was a nasty shock to everyone to log on and be dead. But thats life and that is what makes this game great. Make Cantr Great Again!

[Alutka]

lol No comment. I never kiss and tell. That being said it was a nasty shock to everyone to log on and be dead. But thats life and that is what makes this game great. Make Cantr Great Again!

Nah, this is what makes this game great for you. Why people find it so hard to accept the fact that people play thus game for different reasons and that they find different kind of things entertaining?

Also, there is a way to defend the towns against yougo & tea- people simply need to sit in locked buildings. I don't think it will improve the quality of the game anyhow.

[yougo]

lol No comment. I never kiss and tell. That being said it was a nasty shock to everyone to log on and be dead. But thats life and that is what makes this game great. Make Cantr Great Again!

Nah, this is what makes this game great for you. Why people find it so hard to accept the fact that people play thus game for different reasons and that they find different kind of things entertaining?

Also, there is a way to defend the towns against yougo & tea- people simply need to sit in locked buildings. I don't think it will improve the quality of the game anyhow.

I never attacked a town simply because I wanted to. There were many towns that were spared as they were neutral in the war. The people who were involved in the war though were killed.

Tea was VERY hard to make. Why would a player use it on people who pose no threat. If you are smart, you help those people (as one of my characters did) and pay them well or leave them alone so you don't make more enemies.

Tea is not the threat people believe it to be.

[BagRich]

You can not die of old age in this game. The only way you can die in animal attack or human attack. Or now killing your own character off of course. But that being said death is part of the game. If your going to rage quit because you died then your missing out on the point of this wonderful world. Sometimes shit happens. And leaders kill. Some leaders have killed at this point dozens and dozens of people. Most of them deserved it sure but this game is a double edged sword you can be killed. There is no getting around that. I had the poor luck of being killed by Stone Knight adam three different times. I have been robbed of everything I own at the point of a battle axe more then once..then killed. Death is part of this world. I once stole a ship and had a town leader jump on it as I undocked. I wanted to let her go. I offered time and time again to dump her off at the island I was going to. She refused so I was forced to kill her. Was that my fault? no.