Does anyone still enjoy the game?

[sherman]

I don't want mine to be killed. There is no IG-reason at all to do that. I have put a lot of time and effort on those ones and I don't want some impatient, trigger happy person to destroy that. Rp or no Rp doesn't matter.

The problem here is we have a group of some that likes the slow pace, the friendliness, the non-violence and the long term playing against the ones that thinks the excitement of hunting and killing people is the important thing.

If you are longing for drama, it's possible to have that without killing.

Yes exactly. I think this is getting a bit of problem with diminishing player base. It's good to have different kind of players but with current player base it gets harder to find similar minded players. This applies to other aspects of the game like economy etc

[Jos Elkink]

Yes exactly. I think this is getting a bit of problem with diminishing player base. It's good to have different kind of players but with current player base it gets harder to find similar minded players. This applies to other aspects of the game like economy etc

It's amazing how many issues are resolved by just getting more players ...

Given the very linear decline in player numbers for the past ten years, that "just" doesn't mean it's easy. But considering how there is a core group of players that are very loyal and active and positive about the game, surely we should be able to spread the word better and get more players?

We're working on ideas among staff, but players can do a lot here too

[yougo]

So here is the position I think the detractors are in:

"I do not want my character I worked very long for to die"

Fair enough. I'm not saying pointless mass slaughters should be made easy. Tea was actually quite hard to make in the game.

What I am advocating is a system that encourages people to want to work with others for their own safety. Tea definitely brings an element of fear to the game, but counter measures that aren't easy for one person to make should be made possible for protecting people from tea slaughters as well.

This would cause more people to work together, thus creating more interest in the game.

The alternative is the way things are now and as can be seen by the dwindling numbers, isn't much of an alternative.

[Majix]

What I am advocating is a system that encourages people to want to work with others for their own safety.

This would cause more people to work together, thus creating more interest in the game.

I rather work with others in a non-violent surronding. The threat of violence will not make it better, on the contrary. It will make these last loyal players, who has a difficulty finding games where everything isn't about killing, leave the game.

[sherman]

Yes exactly. I think this is getting a bit of problem with diminishing player base. It's good to have different kind of players but with current player base it gets harder to find similar minded players. This applies to other aspects of the game like economy etc

It's amazing how many issues are resolved by just getting more players ...

Given the very linear decline in player numbers for the past ten years, that "just" doesn't mean it's easy. But considering how there is a core group of players that are very loyal and active and positive about the game, surely we should be able to spread the word better and get more players?

We're working on ideas among staff, but players can do a lot here too

Well sure many more players would solve many things and probably make game better but there's a bit but.. We need to get new players to stay. I have seen quite some newspawns again recently.. Sadly many quit soon after once they see how quiet it is. Guess they are a bit inpatient too or don't realize people aren't online atm. I sadly know how big towns can be quiet for many hours too...

Sure we can but Cantr isn't game you can sell to all people. Like all my friends want Shoot and destroy things.. Play games like Call of Duty etc. Cantr isn't exactly fitting for those nor is quick paced. And probably doesn't look appealing since it lacks graphics. Of course some can get friends to join but not all can for various reasons. So what can do is use internet to tell about game and just.. Try playing this game. Though I admit it really makes it boring when you have full day to play and.. nothing happens until evening or then you sleep but game itself is amazing that I still want to play for those moments then there's action. And for some other reasons.. Gosh I still want to build my empire...


I agree with Yougo that we need more co-operation with people. And less those silly people who want own town...

[BagRich]

I have not played this game in 4 years and stunned by the lack of players now. I get it. The older players hoard like every little thing. You must make murder more easy! The older players must be given a reason to do something. Anything. They sleep until a newspawn causes problems out of boredom and then all hell breaks loose until the problem is solved and then more sleep.

[SekoETC]

I think the difference is that if somebody grabs all the food from a public container and runs down a road, of course people are going to chase them because letting them get away would mean you had to cook for a year to replace what was lost, whereas if the person only takes one type of food, introduces themselves and stays in town, my character would give them clothes and possibly tools. A lot of my characters have more tools than they need but they expect something in return, even if it was just interaction.

[BagRich]

I agree. Those newspawns need to die yes. They have always been a problem I think. But I am talking about time. Honestly the best thing this game could do it cut work time by 50 percent. Speed the game up a hair and you will see a difference I think. I just think we must be proactive to help this game. I refuse to let it die now that I am back. I just see these whole towns and cities doing nothing. Making some hay is the most popular thing I have seen so far. Though I have seen some leaders who do hand things out. But I also seem some with piles of shields and weapons and tools and ships and bikes. Enough for a city! I say give it away! I always did. Some characters at least. Be proactive I think it what I am trying to say. Think of the game not just your characters.

[sherman]

That's not really case. Well on some places but that's more because leader is sleepy (probably got leadership cause nobody else wanted..) Yeah I agree towns are reluctant to help new people but then again so many newspawn spawn and want a car and all immediately. Or newspawn thieves.. Doesn't make one to trust them when you have seen so many before. We don't need to make murder more easy . More about leaders but.. well they usually are older players.

Okay and older players? Seems like many actually have quit/on holiday what ever and don't react to anything. Or are banned players but they don't time out and can be alive who knows how long as long as they get food. Then there's people who play but so irregular that they look sleepy (for various reasons like irl etc.) Now of course they have right to play too. There's many newer players that hoard too. Now I will only speak for myself but I can say that it makes you sleep if nobody else is awake when you are awake.. Not much reasons to do much if nothing happens even if you would be town with no sleepers. Then its about wake hours not matching. But murder easier wouldn't change much. Just less people cause those killed might quit all together

PS. Giving stuff away to who? So many spawn just to die 20 days later.. I try to help newspawns but when you see 20 of them die despite you helped it doesn't really give you much reason to help anymore... I actually have town that was giving stuff away some game years ago. How many took stuff? None

[BagRich]

True murder wont change much but it will bring a threat back. It will give the world a chance to change. When Revolution is a possiblity. Pretty much no political change is possible anyplace now. We now have stronger shields and healing supplies now. But nothing to balance those changes. And if a newspawn wants a car laugh at them. and give them a bike. They will be glad for it. They want a Raker? Give them a longboat. I do not think handing anything out for free is a good idea. But make it so they dont have to wait months..They are not going to wait months this is a fact. We have way less players now. Its like a mildly creepy post apocalyptic world these days.

[sherman]

Probably because we are used to system now and most players don't like change it. That's probably more players fault than games. Can't blame though.. They use system that has worked for them and people before them. Of course this all is needing active people and that's something more valuable than any stuff.

I don't that would change a much if there would be more threat.. Combat system already is so unbalanced that you can kill people in minutes with group. And to make things worse general wake level on towns actually means that they have no way to defend themselves. So yeah we would just kill even more players off. Not a great solution. we need something else to wake all those people.

I however agree that helping newspawns is important and I myself tend to do that.. It just loses it's point then they still fall asleep even with all help... Heck I even would give rakers away for minimal pay rather than sit them on dock for another ten years but there's just not many people you can give them... In the end I guess it's more about fact that they see how sleepy everyone is. Or happen to have wrong wake hours or something like that

Just my opinions though, doesn't make them fact

[yougo]

If we're going to have a discussion, let's at least have a discussion about the same issue.

I am not advocating making it easy to wipe out a town.

Tea was not easy to make. It required a lot of resources that were quite difficult to acquire.

For those who are upset at the speed with which the Seatown Hills massacre occurred for example, let me just clarify: it did not happen overnight as some suggest. The plan was very intricate requiring real life months of planning. While the plan was implemented overnight thanks to tea, the massacre was not "pointless" as some alleged and it was not a simple walk into town and kill everyone strategy. There were valid in game reasons for it and of the 25-30 something people there none got away.

Furthermore, that town was very sleepy anyways with little activity for weeks at a time. The massacre woke up the region and changed a formerly sleep area of the game into a very much untamed and challenging region.

We need to provide people with the option to do plans like this again. It's for the good of the game.

[BagRich]

Yea very real in game reasons. I remember that town before the attack. It needed to go. But changing how tea worked at once was wrong and an abuse of power I think. You add something into the game then when it doesnt work well for you you then change it? Not very nice. However at the end of the day we need players. More players man all this doesnt really matter. The question is how?

[sherman]

By same logic 90% of current towns would need to go too...

[Majix]

Make a new island and let the ones who wants to play war live there.