Tattoo's Marks and Scars?

[The Industriallist]

What about the criminal who used to make a big point of talking about their red hair and whatever-color eyes all the time. They go on the run, and the problem comes up...the towns you pass through don't know which one of the people who came through it is the criminal...and chances are they didn't bother to tell everyone about their hair color. So, if they follow good RP and ask "which way did the red-head go in the past day?" everyone is like "The what?"

I would consider that hurting someone.

Also, and again. Why do you need your character to even be human, let alone an X-haired, Y-eyed, short/tall human? That doesn't mean you're really good at RP, and can handle the concept of appearance in a text-based game, or anything like that. It means you're so weak at RP, or at life, that your character can't work right without the right looks.

[Pirog]

So, if they follow good RP and ask "which way did the red-head go in the past day?" everyone is like "The what?"

I would consider that hurting someone.

It wouldn't be easier to track her down if she didn't say anything about her looks, so I don't see how it is actually hurting someone.
It would have been great if people could actually identify her by her appearance and help catch her though.

Also, and again. Why do you need your character to even be human, let alone an X-haired, Y-eyed, short/tall human? That doesn't mean you're really good at RP, and can handle the concept of appearance in a text-based game, or anything like that. It means you're so weak at RP, or at life, that your character can't work right without the right looks.

You are of course entitled to your opinion, but from my perspective you don't stand out as someone who would enjoy RPGs as much as I do, or for that matter play them as well. RPG's are all about filling the voids by using your imagination. If you don't like that method you should play other games. (again, this is my view).

To answer the actual question:
I don't need my characters to be human. But I need them to have an appearance. It's the same way when I read a book...I make an image for myself how the characters look. If I didn't it wouldn't be such an interesting experience, it would just be reading. If I didn't use my imagination I could just as well read the manual to my VCR.

I want the same things as you do, but since the game isn't backed by some big gaming company there will always be things that can be improved. I believe it is better to make the best of the situation instead of moping about it...

[The Industriallist]

>personal attack-ish (which I started, probably)
To me, appearance really doesn't matter. I match faces to people, but never the reverse...possibly the fact that I have no image of what characters look like, in anything (cantr, fiction...history, most of the time), and see no reason I should, comes from the fact that I don't much care what real people look like. I care who they are, but I just don't link a face, image, or anything of the sort to either their identity or their other traits.

>the rest
I would say you are moping, while I'm taking it as it is (and loving it )...you're mis-implementing a feature, without the proper functionality, instead of waiting for it to be done right.

>A spin-off
You ought to be able to see people's descriptions for a while after they go out of sight. In fact, in the red-hair incident I proposed, there'd be next to no chance of tracking them by their hair if descriptions were actually implemented. They arrive, noone pays much attention, they leave, then when someone comes looking for the red-head, since no one checked the description in the 20 RL minutes the person was in town, no one knows their hair color.

[Pirog]

To me, appearance really doesn't matter. I match faces to people, but never the reverse...possibly the fact that I have no image of what characters look like, in anything (cantr, fiction...history, most of the time), and see no reason I should, comes from the fact that I don't much care what real people look like. I care who they are, but I just don't link a face, image, or anything of the sort to either their identity or their other traits.

So you can't tell anything about a person by looking into their eyes, or there facial feautures, or even how they are dressed? I find that very strange.
I want to make it clear that this has nothing to do with being shallow...but I can usually read a lot out of a persons personality just by studying their face and general appearance. Not enough to judge them before I get to know them, but that is another matter.

I guess we are all different, and perhaps my imagination is more vivid than yours...or perhaps you just use yours differently.

I would say you are moping, while I'm taking it as it is (and loving it )...you're mis-implementing a feature, without the proper functionality, instead of waiting for it to be done right.

I guess we just see it differently. I accept and respect that you don't care about appearances with your characters, but you are complaining about the way I want to play the game. To me that makes you the negative one...I'm merely defending myself.

I also don't think you have any right to imply that we are breaking the rules when none of the game officials have said anything about it. From what I can see that form of RPing that I and others do are appreciated by them.

[kroner]

I want to make it clear that this has nothing to do with being shallow...but I can usually read a lot out of a persons personality just by studying their face and general appearance. Not enough to judge them before I get to know them, but that is another matter.

I guess we are all different, and perhaps my imagination is more vivid than yours...or perhaps you just use yours differently.

I think we've already established in another topic that judging people IRL by their appearance before you actually know them is a bad thing. Now reading someones facial expressions can provide valuable information. Certainly someone can look shifty or friendly or dishonest. But that is not what's at issue here. This thread is about adding (or RPing) physical features which has nothing to do with facial expressions.

Now if you were to tell me you thought a person wasn't trustworthy because of a certain look in their eyes, maybe I would take a little more heed, but if you told me you thought a person wasn't trustworthy because they had green eyes and brown hair I would tell you you had a vivid imagination indeed and probably needed some help.

[Pirog]

kroner>

My views isn't implemented on the idea of a basic system with merely eye colors, skin colors etc., but on a system where you would be able to write some free form text to give your characters an appearance with a bit more life to it.

Of course I should have pointed this out, since you are not mind readers.

I certainly agree that judging someone by their eye colors etc. would be very strange and bad. I was rather refering to judging them by the way they are dressed or if the free form description (that I failed to mention) would imply that they looked in a a way that your character doesn't find trustworthy. In the rather heated discussion it slipped over a bit onto IRL judgements too...it would of course be hard to make such a complecx system in Cantr that you would be able to see if people looked honest or shady.

[The Industriallist]

I would be totally against any freeform description section...I can see it's uses, but I think it's a terrible idea nonetheless.

Does make the whole thing make a lot more sense, though.

Also, just noting...judging on eye color, skin, hair is clearly bad IRL. IC, if it has legitimate IC reason, it would be good.

[kroner]

The main problem I would have with a freeform description is that you would be able to completely change it whenever you wanted, which would make it useless as an identifying tool. Unless of course it was made static, but I wouldn't want my character to be stuck with the same description I wrote when he/she was spawned for his/her entire life.

[Pirog]

kroner>

I have thought about that too, but it could quite easily be avoided. There could be some kind of "appearance deparment" that you would have to send your changed descriptions to for clearance.

It wouldn't be much work simply to read through a desription, see how much it differes from the old one and decide if it would be allright to change it.
I don't think a lot of people will change their characters appearance that often...