Family problems and cantr

[computaertist]

What I personally mean by hilarious, I that if consent is gotten, and then role-played, everyone feels a need to protest against it when it was two people consenting to a scene in a game. Not the actual rape itself. Its the fact people are butting in where they don't belong.

Ah, see, this I understand. The jury is still out on ps666. And for the record, I'm not actually judging. Just perplexed.

[Marian]

Stop acting like feminists and bringing your rl experiences into this.

Wow.

Saving this one for posterity.

[SumBum]

I'm probably in the minority here but I don't have a problem with rape scenes being played out in Cantr. I've never engaged in it and likely won't ever. That doesn't mean two consenting adult players can't act it out through their chars. Cantr is a place where people can experience things in a "safe" environment. The fact that we get so attached to our chars adds enough realism that all those emotions are experienced, too. Let's face it - lots of people, male and female, have rape fantasies. Does that mean they truly want to go out into the world and get brutalized by some stranger? Not likely. That's where the "safe" factor of Cantr comes in.

That said, I find it super creepy that certain players (not just PS666) have been involved in multiple rape encounters. Not once have my chars been in that situation so I really don't believe that it's all that common. Certain players seem to seek out those scenarios. Again, if both players consent and are adults then there's technically no problem. I do wonder about those players and how they act in real life, though. Frankly, there are a couple players I hope I never come across in the real world and worry about whether they have the same attitude toward the opposite sex in their daily lives.

[Marian]

Some may feel that kind of situation has no place in the game, but no one's arguing that it should be banned, as long as there's OOC consent. Not considering consent a necessity and treating a scenario like that as having no more emotional weight than newspawn thievery and finding it 'hilarious' is where it starts becoming problematic. And creepy.

[iavatus]

As you just said SB, you've gone through your entire Cantr experience, without a rape encounter. Same here, same many others. So, it's not free floating rape out there. It's clustered in a few individuals who's idea of a good RP session, involves rape. And not for RP reasons, but because there's an opportunity.

What does this say about the player of the rapers? Fuck knows. Certainly doesn't say anything good about them. Before action, before deed, there's the thought that sparks it. I know players who play certain characters are nothing similar in RL, but someone who consistently, repeatedly, assiduously, finds opportunities to rape (and again, questionable use of the NCS rule), well. At the absolute least, they make the game a creepy place to visit, knowing that out there, someone is looking at my weak female characters, with Can I Rape This on their mind.

[Wolfsong]

The internet is an open society for the closeted, and online roleplaying games unfortunately tend to attract the sort of people who use them to play out their fantasies. That's I think what is bothering most people about this - it's an obvious, RL rape fetish that is being played out IG, without consent from other parties.

[SumBum]

...without consent from other parties.

I agree that's a problem. If a player doesn't consent to the situation, or consents but halfway through backs out, then the other player(s) involved need to back off. Some players think they're immune to the rules, even when they know what the rules are.

[fireintherye]

I have to agree with SumBum.

Also, I have experienced two "romantic" encounters with playerslayer666's characters, and almost three before one of his characters died. In all three, he did ask for consent and made me ooc'ly aware of his intents. This has me believe that he DOES gain consent, as he has stated but others seem to be ignoring.

He also told me via pm when we discovered we played each others' respective characters, that he considered one of those encounters a rape. I am not sure he understand the definition of 'rape', just so you all are aware. My character was willing in the encounter and had no complaints in game. I think he confuses 'rough sex' with rape.

Just sayin'. I understand all of yours concern, but thought I'd put in my two cents worth based off my experiences with his characters. One of my characters even has a note in game where he asked for consent and told me very specifically what he intended to do in the (consensual) encounter.

[Marian]

Also, I have experienced two "romantic" encounters with playerslayer666.

How hilarious were they, on a scale of 1 to 10?

[fireintherye]

I don't find intimate scenes of any sort to be 'hilarious', unless someone is purposefully doing awkward things. That's just not a word I use to describe intimate activities. Entertaining, maybe.... but again, I think playerslayer has an issue with describing things appropriately, based off the descriptions and actual experiences I've had with his characters.

[computaertist]

He also told me via pm when we discovered we played each others' respective characters, that he considered one of those encounters a rape. I am not sure he understand the definition of 'rape', just so you all are aware. My character was willing in the encounter and had no complaints in game. I think he confuses 'rough sex' with rape.

Thank you, I am no longer confused.

[hyrle]

I'll admit that I've done some forcible RP as well... kidnapping, and yes - not-fully-consensual sexual encounters (after OOC consent, of course.) In some cases, it's involved manipulation. In some, it involved payment. In some, it involved intimidation. But I never found the experience funny or particularly fun. I always viewed it as logical actions for a character with the flaws I gave them - a flaw that they needed to feel powerful or that they enjoy seduction. In those cases, the characters enjoyed the feeling of using their considerable strength as power. Of course, those who know my characters know that the majority of my characters don't have this flaw.

I admit, I had one situation where I was going to have such a character try and force a kidnap victim have to submit to his advances but the player refused to take it far enough, so it ended there. This character eventually showed some trust to my character and returned his affections though never across the sexual line. This willing affection bothered him, though, and so he eventually dumped her in a friendly town.

[Alutka]

Oh, wow, this whole discussion makes me sick. In some way you guys are even worse than ps666. You act like a bunch of stalkers trying to purposefully hurt his feelings IRL. It's... Just wrong. It looks like typical internet violence, and based on what? Some actions he took in game. Do you really feel so much better than he is? He just did some shit in game, you are doing some shit in real life, lynchmobbing him.
I may not like the way he plays, it may even make me sick, but ffs it still stays IG. IG violence is nothing comparing to bullying someone in real life.

[fireintherye]

Oh, wow, this whole discussion makes me sick. In some way you guys are even worse than ps666. You act like a bunch of stalkers trying to purposefully hurt his feelings IRL. It's... Just wrong. It looks like typical internet violence, and based on what? Some actions he took in game. Do you really feel so much better than he is? He just did some shit in game, you are doing some shit in real life, lynchmobbing him.
I may not like the way he plays, it may even make me sick, but ffs it still stays IG. IG violence is nothing comparing to bullying someone in real life.

I feel like that happens a lot in these forums... and by people who claim to be doing anything but (quite emphatically).
That's why I thought I'd offer my two cents. I agree with you.

There's a difference between expressing concern or being genuinely concerned (wanting to help someone).... and... well, this.

[Optimus Christ]

Oh, wow, this whole discussion makes me sick. In some way you guys are even worse than ps666. You act like a bunch of stalkers trying to purposefully hurt his feelings IRL. It's... Just wrong. It looks like typical internet violence, and based on what? Some actions he took in game. Do you really feel so much better than he is? He just did some shit in game, you are doing some shit in real life, lynchmobbing him.
I may not like the way he plays, it may even make me sick, but ffs it still stays IG. IG violence is nothing comparing to bullying someone in real life.

Fully agree.