Information Line Documenting

[TheTheorist]

Just a thought I had. If someone wants to prove something in game they copy and paste the 955-5: Project collecting Potatoes has been finished 823g ended up on the ground info line. Which has been going on for a while. Fair enough that's fine for collecting resources and to prove things to people in the same area. But what I thought of was could people use it to prove something that went on in a different area that people didn't see?

For example if one of my chars decided he was going to steal an item from an area with one other person present and then deny it in another area, his/her word against the other persons. The other person should not be able to copy and paste that line to prove the characters guilt. That should be a breach of the CR as the judge should just have to decide who he believes or not based on the characters themselves. They could also make up a fake line to supposedly prove guilt...

I always see recorded events on notes which I've always taken as fine. Just recorded history. But think about it if people actually caught on and started to record actual events, but add events in the same structure/format to benefit themselves there'd be a lot of havoc. So I say recorded events should be banned. If people want to record an event or a conversation it should be written as a story or as a written conversation, with all the events converted to written story like text.

The world has been built on stories, stories get exaggerated, stretched, warped etc. Doing things this way is far more lifelike!

Discuss!

[Jur Schagen]

Copied events cannot be proof, as you say, it's very easy to mess them up to look good or "create" non-existing events. My chars don't use that kind of npotes as proof; on the other hand, if it is passed to me by a char that my char trusts I am likely to believe it, whether it gets "translated" to story or not. No need to ban this, players should just be aware that copied events aren't necessarily "true".

It would be nice to have alternative proof someday... like, if I walk out of a building claiming the other resident had died to the sleeping disease, it might be possible for authorities to examine the body and establishing it actually had a huge sabre wound, which would make me a probable killer... But that's low priority for now.

[The Industriallist]

What's needed is some people who abuse the (stupid, unthinking) acceptance people seem to have for that kind of thing. I mean, if someone's going to steal potatoes, why not claim that they farmed them, instead of essentially admitting that they didn't.

I mean, really. Copy and paste events shouldn't be regarded as a CR breach, they should just be regarded as meaningless and annoying.

[Pirog]

Manipulating such documents is nothing new.

For example Rory Mac Gregor did it to frame Silverfoot, the commander of the Krif Guard, for a massacre. She very nearly lost her life over it and even though her name was cleared she lost many years of her life sitting in a jail cell.

I hated copy-and-paste documents even before, since it is totally unrealistic, and I would support anything that would ban them from the game.

[Jos Elkink]

It would be nice to have alternative proof someday... like, if I walk out of a building claiming the other resident had died to the sleeping disease, it might be possible for authorities to examine the body and establishing it actually had a huge sabre wound, which would make me a probable killer... But that's low priority for now.

I like that one ... And it's easy to implement. I'll think about it ...

[Jos Elkink]

I hated copy-and-paste documents even before, since it is totally unrealistic, and I would support anything that would ban them from the game.

I definitely fully agree, but I think it's a matter of good play not to do it, not a matter of game administration policy, don't you agree? So - just spread the word!

[Oasis]

It is often a lack of time that results in notes of events, rather than writing them out in paragraph form. I know it is for me. It would be devestating for me if it was banned. I realize that it's better not to, but I'll never have the time to write it out like I should.

[Agar]

I've rather succesfully forged a few note events myself, mainly sending husbands looking to kill wives in the wrong direction. And whenever I'm farming and it ends up on the ground, I always check to see if there's anyone elses there, then add a bit, so it seems like the other project got the short end of the stick for the 20% variance.

That's lesson one on how to be a successful thief when you're part of a community.

[Revanael]

That's just taking advantage in the way the game works. It's not fair.

[The Industriallist]

No it isn't. It's taking advantage of the way the world works and the way other people will stupidly assume that any event line you quote really happened. It's just a slightly clever way of lieing, and the clever bit has to do with other people's assumptions, not the actual function of the game.

[Revanael]

Hmmm.

I don't normally accept it anyway.

[Snake_byte]

That's just taking advantage in the way the game works. It's not fair.

No it isn't. It's taking advantage of the way the world works and the way other people will stupidly assume that any event line you quote really happened.

In society people lie all the time. Isn't this a society simulator (so I hear)? There has to be all colors of the spectrum, fair or not. As long as it's not a breach (duh )