sex, sneak thieves, and cheats

[NancyLee]

What I find, in general terms, is more a "lack of roleplaying" but obviously this interpretation is based -and biased- in my own likes. I don't think that sex, violence (weird to find that sometimes people seems to have more issues in dealing with people having sex than with people using violence. Not talking about this especific "rant", it's just a thought that has crossed my mind some times here) or thievery are exactly the problem, not for me at least. I will talk from my own experience, which ain't huge or significant, but is mine (:

I don't mind being involved in a thievery/pillage/ransack nicely roleplayed, in fact that could be quite fun. I have never roleplayed a thief, but some of my old charries were quite wicked, bitchy, mean or whatever you want to call it and that brought hours and hours of roleplaying. I have also been "victim" of evil, wicked, sadist, etc. chars and in some cases the roleplaying was superb and I've absolutely loved it although my char was anything but pleased.


About sex... I fully endorse Henkie's words. My chars are human, sex it's a part of it. But also I roleplayed a char that I would describe as a vestal virgin and a kid -well, she was born with 20 but behaved as a kid and she was perceived and treated as such, so no sexy time for her, thanks.- and it was in my hand not roleplaying sex. It is up to you.
Does some people seem to find it highly amusing devoting all their cantr time in rp-ing sex escenes? Yes. And I find that quite boring (there's a saying here "Why spend your time talking about sex when you can spend it having sex?") but if that's alright with them then it's alright with me. Other people will find my roleplaying absolutely boring too. Variety is the spice of life. Particularly, when I find a char whose only interest is roleplaying sex and nothing more than sex I say farewell and that's all, no biggie; but I've also had very fun and funny roleplays involving sex (precisely I was talking with a friend about this last night, remembering how funny it was roleplaying an erectile dysfunction with my male char).


About the "private roleplaying" well... I plead guilty of that in the past and I'd bet a finger that this won't change. I'm shy and also pretty sure that my roleplaying and "exhaustive, descriptive emoting" could bore the 99% of players... that combination and the nature of some RP itself -and no, I'm not refering to sex- leads me to develop most of my rp in private, I feel too naked doing it otherwise.


Unlike Doug and Randi, I have no idea about what this is about, but Doug's arguments sound legit for me.
And don't think about quitting, we need more players never less!!

[oppinions here stated may be the result of a hangover combined with a couple of pinchs of boredom and only 3 hours of sleeping last night ].

[Doug R.]

(weird to find that sometimes people seems to have more issues in dealing with people having sex than with people using violence.

It's an American vs. European thing. Americans get hung up on sex, Europeans on violence. We're just a product of our differing society's morals and values.

For example, I heard that when Buffy the Vampire Slayer (the TV show) was still on in the UK, they edited it for violence. I was like, wtf? Yet, when I was on a trip over there, there was a documentary/reality show about prostitutes featuring nudity on the BBC (though aired at night). Again, I was like, wtf?

[NancyLee]

Buffy was too violent? I'd go wtf too. Uhm... I'm not going to wonder what type of violent European I am then xDDD.
*she goes search for some values under the bed*

[g1asswa1ker]

Got it lessons learned. Don't play weak charies.

[the_antisocial_hermit]

That's not the lesson. Playing weak chars can be fun and good RP.

[Yang]

Let me get it right. You dont like when other characters go to their private rooms to have sex?
I know that if other characters would have sex in public it would be problem.
Also if all participants wouldn't agree on it - rape - then it would be a problem.
I have one character that spend nice night with horny girl, but it was a sailor going on long journey. We RP it nice and im glad we did it, but i can tell you it was so tiring to do it right.
Thieves are part of the game. We need protect our stuff and prevent it from stealing. That's why my characters don't leave unprotected stuff. If you cant take all with you, then start new project and put resources there. When you get back you cancel project and get back your resources. Safest way to protect it for long time. But living in community is also very good way to protect it.

Cheats and bug using are only problem that cant be solved easy. For example cheating with fulling out cabin or building to prevent others from entering. I meet this situation few times already. This way game extra protection for thieves, and sneaky attackers, but many like to use that bug for their benefit and still there is no solution to this. To fix it we need staff support.

[Black Canyon]

I'm on the verge of leaving because of this BS. I already know of someone who has.

I'd be very sad to know that something my character has done made you or any other player decide to leave the game. At the same time, I don't think I can play my characters based on the fear of how it will impact the player of the other characters. My character should only be concerned about the impact on the other characters themselves, if he or she is inclined to care about that sort of thing. Although I don't know the specifics of your situation, I can imagine how frustrating and discouraging it must be to watch your character struggle building something only to have it plundered by some clueless passersby. But it's actually rather realistic to have it occur, just as it occurs in real life when belongings or property is left unattended.

In my opinion, RPing sex should serve the purpose of character development and the development of the relationship between characters, not the personal satisfaction of the player. It has a place in the lives of some characters, because of who they are and the context of their life.

[Meem]

Buffy was too violent? I'd go wtf too. Uhm... I'm not going to wonder what type of violent European I am then xDDD.
*she goes search for some values under the bed*

What, they don't like Buffy killing vampires? XD

[g1asswa1ker]

Ok this is the third time I am writing this. So far the network has stopped me from posting sending me to the login screen.

First off I'm not quitting the game. I want to, cause I'm so tired of building up to something descent only to have another players character come mess it up. Some of you players know how to work the system really well.

In regards to sex; yes it is a natural part of the gaming experiences. Unfortunately for most of you that's all you do. A day outside a locked room Roleplaying and then back in for more sex isn't very practical. Some of you are sitting there holding your own opinion as to your reasoning... Or saying I know that character you are talking about. I assure you that it is a very long list stemming back to my early days. So no it isn't just you. (While I'm thinking of that a good session of fantasy sex is not something you should be praising as good Roleplaying in the form.)

in regards to private sessions; this isn't totally related to sex. There have been many occurrences where one of my characters have been witness to the start of good natural Roleplaying, but the second the other characters became aware of their presents (Which didn't seem to bother their character before they realized that they were awake) suddenly felt the need to take the session behind locked quarters. This isn't just a one or two time thing it's a re-occurring event.

I agree that in most place there is a great lack of culture.

Now to sneak thieves and cheats; their are a number of you out there who have mastered the art of abusing how the system works. Wait abusing is a harsh term "taking maximum advantage of the limitations both in the fact the system has flaws and that some of us have Real Life issues. Ie game lock outs (which should pause all events and projects)
Many of you pose that theft is part of the game the natural way of things... I'll accept that. Still in order for a lock to function within cantr a character has to be present for the lock.... What is the point of the lock. You get a random chance to break a lock within a day. So you can't leave a location to do anything or progress ever. So if you have two people at home completing one task and two people with yourself to complete another task and another location for a goal your simply sol. So due to the inbalance of time on task... You'll have to be very old to get to any one possible goal. Cause someone has to be present at the lock in order for it to function proper...

Oh someone mentioned that I could always find someone like minded... REALLY!!! Did you forget how big cantr world is? And how many spawn points there are? That one character could travel till their in their late forties. Not to account for the fact characters need to eat. Also, personal opinion here but getting something to wear would be nice. Whenever I see someone wearing nothing worth mentioning translates to nude. Oh and a shield cause those elephants can kill you quick.

So anyone who wants and has the tool and has just a little intel that your going to be gone for better then a day can attempt to break a lock and have no one wiser. There is no evidence ....



I apologies if this offends or seems a bit marbled. I took hours writing it the first two times had quotes from everyone but I kept be sent back to the login screen .... Ugh.

[viktor]

huh, in 8 years
2 of my chars each got laid once.
a dozen of my chars ... maybe a little more were thieves
cheating game code? i dont know how

most of my chars are just living life, busy running businesses, creating entertainment, going political, some doing things just... to give a different in game experience for all... drastically different than most other regions. i do have a couple made mainly for rp.
so dont feel bad i'm still here

[Meem]

And honestly? About the sex part? What people do behind locked doors, shouldn't bother you and how you roleplay. Maybe if it were a friend you were speaking to, or otherwise, that'd I understand why you're angry about things. But other than that... I'm a bit confused. And who knows, maybe they AREN'T doing what you believe they are doing- sometimes people whisper lots, then they go inside. And sometimes, it's because they don't want to bother people with excessive whispering, because yes, sometimes it stunts roleplay. So just think about it a bit, don't be so quick to judge those that go off inside, thinking it's only about sex. Kay?

[DylPickle]

Conversations, in my mind, really depend on the type of location you find yourself in.

If you're in a large city, maybe a trading hub, things can quickly get overwhelming for people, especially more casual players, as they try to scan the events page for points of interest. In those instances it definitely can be better to migrate the conversations or negotiations into a more private location or take it to whispers. Big cities can be imagined as bustling locations, and even though there may only be about 20-30 people in cantr's big cities, it's nice to have a difficult time knowing exactly who's doing what and where and with who. It might be a bit artificial, but it's a setting.

In small communities and villages, however, keeping things too private isolates the other few present characters from the story. Not only are the rest of the characters prevented from a higher frequency of opportunities to join into the story, but the private group is also limiting their story to themselves instead of sharing in the game world.

On sex, well, it's not something I enjoy in the game too much, but I get that some people want to portray characters that are realistic and fleshed out (ahhh, the puns.) For me, though, I just don't need the play by play. It's definitely my preference to keep it within the bounds of a 14A rated movie, essentially. Those scenes where you see the couple enter the room, the camera in the hallway pans to the floor and a bra drops to the ground - fade to cut to the next day. We all get the picture, and the significance to the story is added. Any more than that and you might as well just write out a text transcript of a video from Brazzers, and we all know how good the storylines in pornos are

I've lost track of my point. SUMBIT

[*Wiro]

Just came back after 3 years. Good to see Cantr hasn't changed a bit!

[Faith]

I think that the real problem is that people sees Cantr as a game; I mean, It's a game, but you can't play it as a common game, because if you do this, you ruin the real essence or it.
In Cantr their is no fixed goals, there is no an end...you just build a char in a society (or a hermit if you want xD).

The players start to play the game and think that the goal is to get the better weapon, the better shield, a crowbar and fill your stores as much as possible...and then what? You get bored and leave the game.
This kind of thinking leads the player to cheat and to make plain chars.

Honestly, it worries me more than the sex thing, because It's getting really difficult to build a credible and strong society in the towns of the game, you always have some newspawn or visitor (more the players behinds them) that pulls down the whole RP.

So, sex and thieve? As I always say, If It's well rp...go ahead, It's a part of the society...if not, it just destroys the ilusion of the game.

[g1asswa1ker]

I think that the real problem is that people sees Cantr as a game; I mean, It's a game, but you can't play it as a common game, because if you do this, you ruin the real essence or it.
In Cantr their is no fixed goals, there is no an end...you just build a char in a society (or a hermit if you want xD).

So, sex and thieve? As I always say, If It's well rp...go ahead, It's a part of the society...if not, it just destroys the ilusion of the game.

Well said...