Fishing for salmon

[Ronja Rotschopf]

A while ago I set up a project and it was only possible to work on it when the ship (longboat) was moving. Now I have finished the project and started a new one. And I get the error message that working on the project is only possible when the ship is not moving. Has this project been changed and I have missed it, or is this something not intended?

[EchoMan]

Yes this was changed a few weeks ago. The ship must be floating, and the output more than doubled.

http://wiki.cantr.net/index.php?title=S ... ldid=52886

Why this was not communicated, I do not know.

[Ronja Rotschopf]

Was this ever a suggestion and accepted? I think such things should go a more official (public) way.

[psychowico]

Was this ever a suggestion and accepted? I think such things should go a more official (public) way.

viewtopic.php?f=35&t=22586&start=15

Maybe not all things are listed there, but if you want to discuss all our changes.. We probably will stop make any changes It's to many things to discuss and decide.

[Ronja Rotschopf]

I've seen this thread. Well, the issue here is that something that was useful before, is absolutely useless now.

So I suggest to make fishing possible again while sailing since there is absolutely no reason not to do it. (if there was one, someone probably would have had the courtesy to mention it and it wouldn't have been a problem to discuss it in public)
The same output as it was before would be absolutely fine.

[psychowico]

Like you can see, this output wasn't fine for most of players. And arguments was write in this thread, if i remember correctly.

[Ronja Rotschopf]

Of course players always want more output. Give them all the facts and let them decide then. Changing a project completely and then saying it was something that the players wanted while it wasn't discussed at all is simply dishonest

[psychowico]

I was one of first who want more output in this case. Not because I am furious player who want "more more more". In most case I want less as game co-creator. But in this case old output just make be "fisher" totally idiotic, nonsense thing - for most chars. This was just addition to sailing.. Nobody (maybe almost nobody) made ships only to fishing. I think I repeat meself there.

[Ronja Rotschopf]

Fishing was one of the very few useful things that you could have done on a small slow boat during long travels. Now it isn't possible anymore and you still haven't given any reason for it.

[psychowico]

We spoke about output from few posts.
You think you can do this in real life? Fishing by nets when you have long travel on small boat?

[Ronja Rotschopf]

I think it is much more realistic to be able to fish with a small net on a small slow boat during long travels than for example:
- driving a fast vehicle and working on projects that require full concentration at the same time
- one person being able to sail a huge ship alone

[psychowico]

For me it sounds that you use arguments like players who want "increase" output of some projects, because their need it. We not create game totally identical with life, but similar. Some things are bordering by gameplay utility, some by programming difficulties.

[Ronja Rotschopf]

You were the one (or one of them) who wanted increased output
I just don't see any reason for the change from fishing only when sailing to fishing only when floating

[psychowico]

I gave you a reason. BTW I don't make this change, but I'm agree with it. And I gave you reason why I want more output. Next is that when fishing rod gave more output that nets - it did with people who fishing by ship idiots

[Ronja Rotschopf]

As I said, I don't care if the output is increased or not. What really bothers me is that something that once worked now isn't working anymore and if you gave a reason for it, I must have missed it.

-fishing with nets is realistic on small slow boats
-changing outputs of projects is without any doubts possible without completely changing how the project works (so it's certainly not about programming difficulties)
- still nobody will make ships only for fishing

maybe small ships (if they are already there) will be more attactive now for some characters, but obviously this change gives other characters disadvantages. And in such a case it would have been wiser not to play "Gods of Cantr"