Less steel boats

[.::. MysticGötén .::.]

There are a lot of boats which require; steel, iron and wood

But a lot of places don't have steel. And the only boats which only require wood (and iron) are either crappy boats (lonboats) or boats for lakes (canoe etc.)

The sloop requires iron and wood, but it is rather big and requires a lot of wood.

The number of "normal boats" such as darters which doesn't require steel are limited.

I guess some more boats which can be made without steel but require some more iron (a steel-less darter ) could be implemented...

[nitefyre]

There are a lot of boats which require; steel, iron and wood

But a lot of places don't have steel. And the only boats which only require wood (and iron) are either crappy boats (lonboats) or boats for lakes (canoe etc.)

The sloop requires iron and wood, but it is rather big and requires a lot of wood.

The number of "normal boats" such as darters which doesn't require steel are limited.

I guess some more boats which can be made without steel but require some more iron (a steel-less darter ) could be implemented...

I do not want to be jipped after spending my char's on steel boats.

So suck it up, build the necessary stuff, or get stuck with a longboat.

*pokes tongue out richly*

[.::. MysticGötén .::.]

In some places it is almost impossible to make steel, especially on the new islands or places miles away from salt.

And I'd rather swim across the sea then build a longboat... been docking for 5 days and still at 8% argh their to damn slow.

[TheTheorist]

What about a smaller lighter more manouverable boat like a Pinnace?

No steel required!

[Anthony Roberts]

A Pinnace is also worse than a Longboat - And can only carry 4 to 8 cannons! ...Not that that matters in Cantr

I agree that there should be more boats that don't need Steel, HOWEVER, there won't be. I have decreed so with my awesome powers (Unless of course, someone higher up says I need to )

Why not, you ask? Steel may be hard to get, but it will be unfair to make non-steel boats that are actually worth manufacturing. We all hate the Longboat, sure, but in order to create a boat better than a Longboat, it will require more than just wood. Perhaps Wood and Cloth? Or, Wood and Iron? Or, Wood and dead person tied to your mast... *Cough*

The point I'm getting at, is, the boats need to be "fair". In some places, Cotton/Hemp Cloth is more rare than Iron, and Iron is more reasonable of a substitute, since it's needed for a lot of things.

When vehicles are changed into objects that need to be compiled (An example: The Road/Dirt Motorcycles), then Cloth will be needed for those boats with Masts (Including the Longboat), Iron will be required to make... something on them, and so will Steel. In other words, boats will be harder to make later on. You won't just need "Wood" and, but rather "Wood" and "Cloth" and "Iron" and "Steel" (But not for ALLL boats, pfft, I'm not that cruel. The boats will mainly stay the same. So if it only needs wood, it'll only need wood (and maybe cloth) when it's changed)

SO, to summarize: SUCK IT UP AND MAKE IRON.

And if you can't make Iron, hello? Start trade? No place ever started out with everything. Start small, and grow. It'll take time, but it'll be worth it.

[The Industriallist]

Have you ever relied on actual trade to get components for iron? I don't think it would ever work in cantr, where trade just doesn't happen.

[trage]

I have, I trade for iron ore/hematite, and I was hoping to set up a limestone trade. So it is possible, you just have to try harder.

[nitefyre]

Have you ever relied on actual trade to get components for iron? I don't think it would ever work in cantr, where trade just doesn't happen.

I have traded *not regularly* for limestone, iron and coal in the past, as well as salt and hide.

Also, one of my characters if given the right motivation will be very much willing to transport goods and people via sea to support such routes speedily.

[XBL]

I don't think it would ever work in cantr, where trade just doesn't happen.

That's absolutly not true, that there's no trading in cantr. I mean, most of my chars trade constantly and never have left there spawning place. Other characters of mine travel around with strange goods from far far away (nice place...), and trade them. I'm even planning on getting someone on a boat, and make trips between the islands (he needs a map first, though) and trade the rare resources of each island.

Next to that: I just made a deal with one of my chars: first he rents an axe, next he's going to trade the wood for coal so he can make iron.

All my chars are trading =). And I'm sure everyone did once, or twice. Maybe just not setting up a whole route, or a doing it all the time.

Jochem

[.::. MysticGötén .::.]

SO, to summarize: SUCK IT UP AND MAKE IRON.

And if you can't make Iron, hello? Start trade? No place ever started out with everything. Start small, and grow. It'll take time, but it'll be worth it.

I also think boats should require iron and wood. But to many boats need steel. There are some places which wont have steel for many, many years, that is if they will ever be able to make it.

And some islands don't have enough chars in different cities to trade stuff(especially since not all places are as populated as the english areas).
I just think that some boats could use more wood and iron and perhaps an alternive resource instead of steel.
Perhaps a smaller version of the sloop?

[The Industriallist]

The only diference between iron and steel is a little leather. Unless there are islands with no salt, there shouldn't be a problem.

[Anthony Roberts]

1) Yes, there is trade with Iron/Steel. However, for two reasons it seems like there isn't. First off, people are still trying to learn how to manufacture Iron then later off Steel. Secondly, Iron and Steel are still a rare commodity (Because of the change in its manufacturing), and so, people hold on to it.

2) I'll bend backwards a bit, and grant your wishs. I'll add one or two more boats (After proper approval, of course) which only require Wood and Iron. But I won't add any Wood boats that are superiour to the Longboat, and I won't add any Wood/Iron boats that are worse than the Longboat - just to keep things 'fair'.

Good, good?

[.::. MysticGötén .::.]

Thanks anthony

@ Industrialist:
It sometimes takes years to find a place with salt. Especially if there are not so many people on that island. And then they can't do anything with it because it will take a long time to invent new people how to make leather.

[new.vogue.nightmare]

Can we also make the longboat at least seminonsucky? I mean, I know it's supposed to suck...but taking days to dock is just ...insane. It's almost as if it were put into the game solely as a joke.

[Appleide]

Maybe a small boat that docks real fast , like 1 turn or something, and is real slow, like a barge.... but a barge has all the wires and other stuff.. Or a boat that docks faster than longboat BUT it can only carry 1 person and 1kg of stuff.....