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Thomas Pickert
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Postby Thomas Pickert » Thu Sep 25, 2003 7:52 pm

Have you seen the financial overview page yet? That's what the money is being used for.

And the money is not used at all for programming. So, giving an overview of what is being worked on, to let the players know what their money is used for, does not make much sense. I hope you get my point. :)

Even if Cantr is not being developped, it does still cost money. That is mentioned on the financial overview page. It's a little out-of-date, but you can approximately determine where we're at. We have received a EUR30 donation, and we have paid $75 per month since the last update of the page.

From a rough calculation I have done using my fingers, I would say, that we are currently safe until the end of the year.
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Postby swymir » Thu Sep 25, 2003 7:57 pm

Well what I meant was to let them see that you are doing things and not just sitting on your asses. If I had a credit card I'd be more then willing to transfer a small donation to you guys every month. If you can keep the site running for another two years then I can start donating. I don't trust money orders or others forms of payment through the mail.
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Postby Thomas Pickert » Thu Sep 25, 2003 8:09 pm

Hm, your comment sounds funny in my ears. And I don't mean the humorous way this time...

If we were 'sitting on our asses', which we are not, there wouldn't have been any point for us to volunteer for a voluntary position in any department full of volunteers, right?
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Postby swymir » Thu Sep 25, 2003 9:45 pm

Well I didn't mean to say I think your sitting on your asses. I beleive this is the most updated internet game there is for still being fairly new. I know a lot of games you have to pay for that don't get the kind of support you guys give. I was talking about the lesser uninformed people in the game.
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Postby Thomas Pickert » Thu Sep 25, 2003 10:31 pm

Ah, ok, good that you said that, because you almost got me started. ;)
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Postby Cosmo Harrigan » Fri Sep 26, 2003 7:23 am

Thomas Pickert wrote:Ah, ok, good that you said that, because you almost got me started. ;)


Ahh, and Thomas is a brutal fighter. :shock:
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Postby Jos Elkink » Fri Sep 26, 2003 9:33 am

I agree with Thomas. You can pay for the system that is already there, and because of the hosting we have to pay. The programming itself is voluntary work and I wouldn't like it to be anything else. I don't want to feel obliged to program for Cantr, I program when I feel like it ;) ... You should donate for keeping the game as it is running, and you can only hope for improvements :) ...

About the traffic light idea: I don't like it too much, as it will stimulate people to pay too late. It would mean that only when we run out of money, people start paying, but I would like to have some buffer so we actually take the risk of getting good hosting etc. Like we have now.

About extra characters or time etc., I keep having the really stubborn idea that this is against the principle of a free game. Although it would help our financial situation, it would also make the game more fun for people that have a creditcard, or a regular income, etc. and, call me a socialist if you want, that is against my principles here ;) ... The game is free and every player should be equal. Staff members don't get more than regular players, nor do paying members. Donations are voluntary financial gifts, similar to how staff donates time, without any additional advantages, simply to keep the game running.
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Postby thingnumber2 » Fri Sep 26, 2003 10:44 am

If you started charging , than people like me who don't have any income and whose parents won't pay, wouldn't be able to play....although I'll probably start donating if I get a job.
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Postby Thomas Pickert » Fri Sep 26, 2003 2:34 pm

FYI, I have just updated the financial overview page.
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Postby Thomas Pickert » Fri Sep 26, 2003 3:29 pm

Cosmo Harrigan wrote:
Thomas Pickert wrote:Ah, ok, good that you said that, because you almost got me started. ;)


Ahh, and Thomas is a brutal fighter. :shock:


I once was a brutal fighter, now I am just an underhand and malicious fighter. :twisted:
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Postby Solfius » Fri Sep 26, 2003 7:08 pm

Jos Elkink wrote: call me a socialist if you want, .


you socialist ;) but unlike most I don't consider it a bad thing. History is written by the victor, and capatalism won out when socialism tried to rise, so you can see the evidence of the capatailist bias in socirty with regards to socialsim, for example the common misconception that the USSR was socialist or communist. It was not as it did not hold true to the ideals of either. So it may call itself those things, but it isn't.
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Postby Meh » Fri Sep 26, 2003 7:15 pm

Captilist goverments implemented some social programs. Socialist goverments allowed for more captialism. Both pure socialism and captialism are long dead operationally. The communist arguements against pure captilism are still true there just is no pure captialism anymore.

The captilistic/socialist blend won in the end.
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Postby Solfius » Fri Sep 26, 2003 7:17 pm

well, that's my view, and I don't pay enough attention to politics to get involved in a debate about it

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