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Postby new.vogue.nightmare » Thu Sep 25, 2003 12:41 am

David Goodwin wrote:Repubs do stress less goverment however they also stress censorship. And that is the problem with a two party system.


That's why I'm registered with the Constitution Party ^__^

::waves a little flag that says "Minority Parties Rule!"::
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Postby Meh » Thu Sep 25, 2003 1:20 am

OniKaze wrote:::waves a little flag that says "Minority Parties Rule!"::


That was good. I had to quote your reply just to see it.
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Postby rklenseth » Thu Sep 25, 2003 3:23 am

I agree with that the two party system does has problems. That is why I'm an independent. But I do tend toward Republican ideals than Democractic but not in everything. And there is cenorship on both sides and everywhere in between. I think no one should ever be censored but it is the reality of the world. I think people are smart enough (or at least I hope) to make their own decisions as to who is right and who is wrong.

As my ancestor said;

"...-the same God who gave to me a mind that is my own, a mind that has not been mortgaged to the opinion of any man or set of men, a mind that I was to use and not surrender..."
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And that I do firmly believe in.
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Postby Pirog » Thu Sep 25, 2003 9:46 am

I think people are smart enough (or at least I hope) to make their own decisions as to who is right and who is wrong.


The problem is that they don't...hell, there are Americans that don't even know the name of their president. Isn't that scary?
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Postby Meh » Thu Sep 25, 2003 12:20 pm

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Postby rklenseth » Thu Sep 25, 2003 12:40 pm

President - George W. Bush
Governor (NY) - George Pataki
Mayor of nearest major city (state capitol of NY, Albany) - Jerry Jennings
Nearest city (Troy, birthplace of Uncle Sam) - Joseph L. Bruno
Mayor of New York City - Bloomberg

I could go on an name the executives and I think most Americans are well aware of their elected officials and who they are. Most of the people that don't are college students and people just out of college who are trying to start a new life and don't have the pleasure to catch up but I'm sure many of them do know what is happening.

And I have one question for you, Pirog. What makes someone an American?
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Postby Pirog » Thu Sep 25, 2003 2:22 pm

And I have one question for you, Pirog. What makes someone an American?


Eh...someone who is an American citizen...?
Is there any other form of definition?

And I'm not saying that all Americans are uneducated or anything...after all you are the most powerful country on this planet...and the most dangerous.

But Americans in general seems to have VERY little knowledge of the rest of the world...
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Postby Meh » Thu Sep 25, 2003 2:44 pm

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Postby The Hunter » Thu Sep 25, 2003 3:33 pm

But Americans in general seems to have VERY little knowledge of the rest of the world...


I agree. Ever read an American newspaper? All american news except on the last page. The rest of the media dont cover the rest of the world either. Well, barely. Nothing wrong with that in theory, but the USA being the mightiest country in the world and considering their foreign policy.... I can only conclude the American ppl ignorant. The USA have an obligation, being the mightiest and the "world leader" in military and political power, they should give an example to the rest of the world. I consider blocking the Kyoto agreeements, Not accepting the International court in the hague, (well, not accepting them insofar that anyone may be put on trial except for american citizens, they even passed a law that enables them to invade holland if this might happen... A NATO ally for god's sake) and invading numerous countrys who happen to be considered a threat to America. I dont consider that an example of good leadership. And the ppl of America dont even think abt their countr being wrong at times. If they knew a little more abt the rest of the world, they might start to think abt certain matters. They might reconsider their opinions and change american politics.

Am I anti American??? No, but I loathe the foreign policy. Well, american politics alltogether i should say.

OK. here in holland its easy, we're a small country, 99% of the rest of the world is foreign so we have to keep an eye on the rest of the world, but still, why are americans so little interested?

"holland? whereabout it that in the states"? Quote of an American upon my girlfriend telling she was from holland. :lol:

Just had to get it off my mind. I'm not flaming here, just expressing my opinion. So don't be offended.
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Postby swymir » Thu Sep 25, 2003 4:07 pm

Are you saying that our newspapers don't take about foreign nations. I'll just read the headlines from the first page. (Note that the newspaper that was conviently placed on my desk is a couple of weeks old)

Isreal Attack Misses Target

Bin Laden Vows Attacks In New Video

Tropicana si! Castro No!

thats three on the first page alone. I hear more about other countries then I do about our own. The only thing on the news that has to do about our country is California right now. Which has to be the stupedest thing in our history.
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Postby swymir » Thu Sep 25, 2003 4:12 pm

As for caring about the rest of the world I say this is Americas biggest flaw. But most places are the same way. America is just the worst. You can't name one coutry who worries about others more then their own. America will just take it to the extreme.

I'm going to stop acting like I know what I'm talkign about now and just give up talking and see where others who obviously know more then I take it.
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Postby Pirate Lass » Thu Sep 25, 2003 4:39 pm

Ah yes, and I get to hear about that mess EVERY DAY.
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Postby Thomas Pickert » Thu Sep 25, 2003 4:43 pm

Orion, Hunter and guide wrote:I'm not flaming here, just expressing my opinion.


Just for the records, flaming won't be accepted in this forum anyway. ;-)
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Postby Meh » Thu Sep 25, 2003 4:47 pm

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Postby XBL » Thu Sep 25, 2003 6:05 pm

Ok, i was a bit bored, so i have here a quote from a american textbook. It's what the book tells about holland, the bold parts are writen by me, and tell what's wrong... you'll see people from america have another view on coutries (and this example only goes for holland...).

American Textbook wrote:The Netherlands
With about 14,5 million people jammed into an area half the size of Maine, the Netherlands is one of the world's most densely populated nations.

erm? We have plenty of room, we even have 16,3 million people in our country. Ok, the city's are big, the houses arn't cheap, but in the east of the Netherlands, there's enough space

There are more thatn 1000 people for each square mile. The country is sometimes called Holland, although strictly speaking Holland makes only a fraction of the Netherlands, about one-sixth.
The people of the Netherlands are called the Dutch. They speak the Dutch language, wich is derived from ancient German. The Netherlands is truly a low country. Only in the far southwest does the land rise in gentle hills, to attitudes, as high as 1000 feet.
The Dutch have been working ever since the 10th century to push back the sea and make more land for farms and homes.

erm... farms and homes? We have industry and all that stuff. Actually, Rotterdam (bigest harbor in the world) is situated in a place what was once sea... so farms ;)

By building dikes they have created seaside lakes. Sometimes it was possible to drain the lakes by means of ditches. At other times, it was necessary to scoop out the water. Once this lakes were drained, they became large, flat fields. Some were turned into pastures for dairy cows. Other were planted with crops like wheat, sugar, beets and potatoes.

Uhuh, but we do have city's on those 'polders' :) And not only farms...

Reclaimed fields of this sort are called 'polders'. Roughly one-third of the land area of the Netherlands has been reclaimed from the sea.
Creation of new land an freshwater lakes is not the only reason for Dutch dikebuilding. Another is to protect lowlying areas against floods caused by storms and high tides. Along the southwest coast of the Netherlands, three major rivers (the Rhine, the Maas and the Schelde) fan out in a sprawling delta as they pour their waters into the North Sea. The Dutch have constructed dams, accross some of the rivers outlets to keep water from smashing in and destroying farms and towns, as had happended in the past.

last time we had a flood with people who died, was in, i believe, 1953. And this book lets me think, the Netherlands only have frams and towns... allthough we have more industry and stuff like that, that than farms.

The Dutch have exploited their location at the outlet of three major rivers to become a major trading nation.
Ships from all parts of the world dock at Dutch harbors like Rotterdam and Amsterdam. There they meet barges that ply the Rhine and other rivers reaching deep into Europe's heartland. An intricate network of canals helps in the movement of watertraffic. Rotterdam handles more cargo than any other port of the world. The Netherlands contains one of the worlds largest producing fields of natural gas, near the northern city of Groningen. There is engough gas to meet alt Dutch needs and sufficient amounts for exprot. But the Netherlands has only limited supplies of oil and coal and almost no mettalic minerals. To build industry the nation ahs depended heavily on imported raw meterials. Among the leading Dutch industries are oil refining, metalworking and food processing. Dutch chocolate, made from imported cocoa has a wide market. The Dutch countryside contains many small farms, but only a small fraction of the work is employed in agricultue. Because the reclaimed land is so valuable for farming, the Dutch often built their villages and roads atop dikes or on less fertile land.


When I read this text, i should think holland is a country which is always fighting against the sea and has only farmers.

But is this how Americans think of Holland?

Jochem

PS: i didn't want to say, but i think holland does know more about 'the rest' of the world.
1. they are small and heavily depend on other countries.
2. they are a trading-nation, so contact with other countries is very important.

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