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language group responsibility

Postby Doug R. » Mon Dec 21, 2009 8:26 pm

I'm going to float a novel idea here. I know you'll all HATE IT. I just want you to know my state of mind, and that I'm not even kidding.

Alf suggested in another thread that as an administrator that gives a crap, I should be browsing all the forums with the aid of the google translator. A translator, mind you, that doesn't really work if the words are spelled wrong or the grammar sucks. How many posts like that have we all encountered in the English group? :roll:

Never mind that I already spend half my workday administering Cantr at my employer's expense.

Alf's suggestion stems from this strange phenomenon that's developed, where one or a few butt monkeys run Cantr for everyone, destroying their lives in the process while 90% of the players sit back and contribute nothing. Nothing less than perfection is demanded of these few volunteers (including, it seems, fluency in 12 languages). Not only that, when efforts are made to include language groups that view themselves as disenfranchised, they don't support them, or ignore them.

I think that's bull (to put it nicely).

Here's my suggestion:

If a language group can't support it's own staff contingent, then spawning gets shut off for that group. This would mean at least one player on PD and a Liason Officer at the bare minimum. Larger groups would require larger staff.

No, I'm not even kidding. Let the flaming begin.
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Postby Dudel » Mon Dec 21, 2009 8:38 pm

I've got nothing BUT TIME... and I'd help but only know English (wouldn't expect people who don't know a language to try and "help it", call me a prick), having an "English Language Department" is dumb, I can't program and PD would piss me off.

Marketing, I do anyway but there isn't much (that I can think of) to do with it... other then poking the sites I "know about" that Cantr might fit on... and I spread a main link everywhere.


BUT, topic at hand, that actually makes sense. It would encourage people of each language group to have members in the departments as well as allow for more inter-languge communication. As it is now, Polish stays in the Polish forms, Spanish in Spanish, etc.


Also: DO NOT let OTHER PEOPLE in ANY MANNER make YOU CONSIDER what YOU DO with YOUR TIME. YOU DO as YOU WISH and tell others to LEAVE YOU BE. The amount of effort YOU ALREADY DO is not only MORE THEN EXPECTED it's almost absurd.
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Postby Doug R. » Mon Dec 21, 2009 8:53 pm

I should add, that those of you who are already serving your language groups on staff, I kiss the ground you walk on.
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Postby SekoETC » Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:05 pm

I think it sounds reasonable.
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Postby Kelli » Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:28 pm

I agree. Whoever is suggesting you use online traslators needs to be shot.
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Postby Zisrith » Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:45 pm

You guys should make your own language and require everybody learn it. That'll shut them up :lol:
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Postby Snake_byte » Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:12 pm

It' seems unanimous, so far... I think it's a good idea. I've asked you already to put my name in there for the French, if there wasn't any or they needed more.

Zisrith wrote:You guys should make your own language and require everybody learn it. That'll shut them up


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Postby Piscator » Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:32 pm

In this form the idea is among the worst I've read in this forum so far. This would effectively kill small language groups that simply don't have the size to provide enough staff members. It would also practically force people on staff, which simply isn't compatible with working voluntarily.

It really should suffice to state that support from staff will be minimal if there's noone in staff speaking that language. No need to install overly restrictive measures just because we're under the impression of a recent conflict.
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Postby BZR » Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:08 pm

Piscator wrote:In this form the idea is among the worst I've read in this forum so far. This would effectively kill small language groups that simply don't have the size to provide enough staff members. It would also practically force people on staff, which simply isn't compatible with working voluntarily.

What about capital rule breachers, which cannot be punished because noone understands their language? Polish players are already complaining on small language groups, whose characters, though sleeping all the time, magically wakes up in one minute just to kill.

I support that idea.
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Postby AlchemicRaker » Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:15 pm

While I agree with the problem, and that solution would probably be what I would do, it does seem a bit harsh on the small groups. The alternative I thought up was:

If they cannot get their own reliable staffing, they lose their right to report CRB and the like. In other words, language groups should be responsible for their own staffing and CRB-handling (within reason)... This does end up with some odd situations though (non-staffed group performs CRB on a staffed group of a different language).

Yes, there is a problem, and no, it isn't your responsibility to handle their (other languages) problem by yourself... and unless staff turns up, I agree with the decision you've stated.
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Postby cantrlady » Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:15 pm

I completely support this.
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Postby Piscator » Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:24 pm

Well, then lock their accounts until either someone has the time to bother with a online translator or they get a translation from LD. Not letting people play because they might do something is not the way.

Anyway, if we force people to join staff by threatening to close their language groups, how much good would they do? Yes, there would be someone from language xy on staff, but who garantees that they will do any work?
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Postby notsure » Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:43 pm

Doug R. kisses the ground I walk on???

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Postby Doug R. » Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:54 pm

Piscator wrote:Anyway, if we force people to join staff by threatening to close their language groups, how much good would they do? Yes, there would be someone from language xy on staff, but who garantees that they will do any work?


Because if they don't, spawning gets shut off.

I share the concerns about the smaller language groups, but quite honestly, the smaller language groups - French, Finnish, Esperanto, German - don't cause any problems. I've never seen a PD case in any of these languages. Given that they don't cause any problems, the rep from those languages would hardly have any work. Three of those groups already have active members of staff.

I posted this, because some players have this sense of entitlement that I don't understand. If they want to be entitled, I think they should pull their own weight.
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Postby Piscator » Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:36 pm

That's a really great way to create a positive working atmosphere. Work or you LG is doomed.
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