unwanted content

[Dudel]

Sadly, Echoman, that is a part of society. You can't ignore that part, either.

See the thing is... if Cantr says "Society Simulator" it sorta allows all parts of society.

However, if Cantr starts being more "RP game" then such things can be outright disallowed... but then any thoughts on "simulation" go out the window and it opens the door for other things a lot of players wouldn't like, at all.

It's rather loose, loose.

Without making it a point to notice people stuff MIGHT and/or DOES happen... you're screwed.


Not to mention that if both the participating PLAYERS are willing to said RP, it's just more RP and no different then a lot of other things... except that Cantr provides the environment for you.

NOW, I'm NOT okay with things being forced on a player PERIOD. Be they sexual or simple. Emotes that say such things about my character that I've not emoted, I actually make a point to either disregard (as you can do with the sexual content) or counteract it.

In my opinion such a forced RP, especially extreme cases of forced RP sex (Which is creepy internet rape! O.O), should be a CRB or at least be a manner of "Player decency" that.... I don't know.


On another note, I think having the ability to "flag" other characters without having to contact PD directly would be nice, regardless.

It'd be something that just sent a ticket to PD, right then, with the character in question, their location at the time of the ticket AND whatever was typed into the box.

Ticket system works for other games, why not Cantr? O.o

[EchoMan]

Sadly, Echoman, that is a part of society. You can't ignore that part, either.

Cantr doesn't implement game mechanics for everything that is part of society, so I see nothing wrong with banning one small part of it; explicit sexual/pornographic content as long as the game is open for minors. But what is, or isn't, part of society or possible in game is not the issue here.

If both players want to RP rape, fine. But it doesn't have to be written like a freakin porn novel in game. Get a (chat-)room ffs. Or just state that it happened.

I still believe that people who have the urge to type this kind of crap in game - where it can be read by minors - needs education and/or help.

Too tired to comment on the rest...

[Mack]

There is another problem, we seem to be assuming that the minor, would not want the sexual rping. So another rper could meet a minor, and the minor could play along. This is still not exceptable. So there is only one way to ensure that sexual RPing, doesn't harm minors. I'm 30 years old and my 10 year old daughter plays this game. . . I know her account information and I sign every now and then to look over her history. Because of this she knows she can't have more than 5 chars. (or I'd never get to mine). This is my job as her dad. Is there something that Cantr can do? Yes. As a parent, I think there could be a warning. I'd say send the parents of minor an email for them to verify the account, but then again, that is assuming that a minor doesn't just lie about their age.
Bottom line, Parents need to take control. Watch what their kids are doing online.

[Cdls]

Mack, that is great, it's good to see that there are some parents that do give a shit about what their children do, and back it up with more than just words.


Echoman, I did not make that suggestion for you to mock it, it was a suggestion to better help PD kick out those that want to force that upon others. With that message, we can skip right passed the "warning" portion and move to determine what punishments are needed to deal with the individual.

As was stated before there are some minors that actually want that type of RP and as unfortunate as it is, there is no way to stop them. They can give a false age upon signup, there is no real way to check it. Because of this, there are only a few real options:

1: Make this game open to only those able to legally view adult material, and then confirm that the player is in fact an adult.

2: Ban all materials that minors should not be subject to, not just sexual but violence as well.

3: If 1 and 2 are not acceptable, find an option that makes it easier for PD to expedite the banning of those that would make this game not as enjoyable as it could be for those around them.

[Voltenion]

Y'all sissies!


Just put it in the list of characters page something like: "Warning: It is possible to role play sex in Cantr. If you are a minor, or just feel uncomfortable about it tell the other player via OOC. Thank you. "

If the character being violated keeps on RPing, then his players obviously agrees with it. There is nothing wrong with sex, not even rape. It happens in life, happens in Cantr. Like it has been said, the only incorrect thing in that experience is the fact that one player forced an emotion into the other character. I'm pretty sure there is already a rule about it and if there isn't, there is already a common sense that reminds us to stick with our characters.

[SekoETC]

The problem is that if a person continues the explicit rp despite an OOC request to stop it or take it into whispers, the only current solution to the problem is to stop checking the character, and even then the player might be thinking "what if there is a chance I could make it out of this alive?" If the character is dragged into another location, the player will see that the location has changed on the character list and they might check to see if perchance someone came to rescue the character, potentially being exposed to new offensive material. And a lit up character is tempting the player to check it anyway even if they know they are likely to read something offensive. Just like how you might be creeped out a photo, drawing or movie, yet you might feel tempted to search for it and view at it again.

I think there should be a rule against exposing non-consenting people to explicit material and it would be good to have a built-in way to tell another player "you're going too far" without having to ponder about the correct wording. There are people who think OOC is wrong in all cases so they might avoid telling the other player that they're disturbed, while the other character's actions might just escalate in an attempt to make the other person react somehow.

[Doug R.]

Players can always OOC that they find certain role-play undesirable. Offensive material need not be role-played, it could be stated. If a player does not heed the other players OOC request, then they have issues and the other player should contact the PD.

[Mack]

Players can always OOC that they find certain role-play undesirable. Offensive material need not be role-played, it could be stated. If a player does not heed the other players OOC request, then they have issues and the other player should contact the PD.

Again we are assuming that the player is bothered by this RPing. Do you really want to RP any sexual relations with a 12 year old? I would surely hope not. I am not saying that this type of RPing is "wrong" but Rping it with a little boy or girl, is wrong. It is a problem that doesn't have an easy solution. I think it is best if Cantr just tries it's best to warn all new player. If you are a minor, please submit your parents email address. Parents can then be warned of the explicit content, and asked to view the histories. Perhap these histories could even be emailed to them.
But again, we are assuming that the minor will tell the truth about thier age. This will not solve the problem, but it will at least show that Cantr, tries to protect the minors, with out limiting the game.

[Dudel]

Then the problem, Mack, is that Cantr "promotes sex" and that's not what is wanted either.

HOWEVER, I do think the warning of the possibility should be stated.... and even in that case, Mack, we are assuming the minor doesn't lie about their age.

"Are you over X age?" OF COURSE I AM!

I don't think that stops anyone.... just makes the site itself no longer liable.

[Mack]

Then the problem, Mack, is that Cantr "promotes sex" and that's not what is wanted either.

HOWEVER, I do think the warning of the possibility should be stated.... and even in that case, Mack, we are assuming the minor doesn't lie about their age.

"Are you over X age?" OF COURSE I AM!

I don't think that stops anyone.... just makes the site itself no longer liable.

I believe I had already stated the fact that we keep assuming that the minor would tell the truth about their age. Or that the minor would tell us if this RP bothered them. Truth of the matter is that, that's not always the case.

As for promoting sex. I disagree. I don't think that it would be Promote sex. Just by issuing a warning. Thinking like that, then the Surgeon General Promoted smoking by placing the warnings on the packs. It's a warning of the content. Nothing more.

There is only one way to prevent Minors from Rping this kind of actions, and it's the same way we prevent them from surfing the porn sites. THE PARENTS. I can't stand parents who expect others to raise and protect their children.

[Doug R.]

Placing disclaimers about adult content just attracts people that want adult content. No one wants cancer (your example about cigarettes), but there are tons of people out there that want to cyber and more than you'd care to admit that would seek out a place to cyber with a minor.

Having a disclaimer that spells out these things will just get indexed and become searchable, which means that Cantr will start popping up when people do searches on adult content and minors, exposing kids to even more creeps.

Bottom line:

Parents, monitor your kids.
Adults, find out from PD if you're role-playing with an adult.
Respect the wishes of your RP partner.

Edit: The majority of players seem to be minors. It would not surprise me in the least if most of the horrible things that some people in this thread witnessed were actually RP'ed by minors, do to their immaturity. If that is true (and I suspect it is), this whole discussion shouldn't be about "adult" content but about "immature minor who hasn't got a clue and thinks he's cool" content.

[SekoETC]

The majority of players seem to be minors.

That's not based on statistics so I'm not sure how you reached that conclusion. Currently there are 1246 active players out of which 984 (79%) mention their year of birth as 1991 or earlier, while 262 (21%) were born after 1991 and are thus under 18. So pretty much 1/5 players is a minor. Although they might play more characters, who knows.

[Mack]

, but there are tons of people out there that want to cyber and more than you'd care to admit that would seek out a place to cyber with a minor.

I'm not sure if that comment would be directed to me or not, but if it was, trust me, I know first hand about the sickos out there. I know that there are pleanty out there who would love to jump in on here.
But that is why it's up to the parents. I'd say look at the laws that are in place for such things and how they reflect on Cantr, but we are spanning the world so that makes it a bit harder. But in both Canada, and the USA I know that if a web site does what it can to prevent such activities, the courts will not hold the site responsible. So yes, a warning is what the courts would want to see. Perhaps there could be an email verification, with the warning. Would this prevent it from coming up in random searches? I'm not sure. But no matter how you look at it, it is always up to the parents to ensure their child is safe on the internet. If a parent fails at this, the courts can't do much. At least in Canada or the USA.

Oh and by the way...this thread alone can attract the sickos too. And we don't need them to start playing Cantr.

[Arenti]

Is it possible to have a poll of asking players if they have been in contact with unwanted sexual content? And then I mean a poll for all players not just on the forum.

[Doug R.]

We don't need a poll.

@Seko - thanks for the hard numbers. When you accept applications, I guess the ten year olds just stand out more in your mind, and skew the subjective statistics.