Cantr Regional Development

[Solfius]

The Cult needs more than 25 workers to be a problem. Ideally I would have an additional 85 workers to be soldiers before I considered anything threatening. I like to be sure I can win if I want to risk something

[swymir]

I believe it is impossible to have a democracy countries are just to big for it to work. Most countries are only a part democratic. A true democracy would mean that EVERY person votes on EVERY law that gets passed from what I remember. In the states it's hard enough just to get half the people to vote for the people who vote on everything. America definitly screwed the perception on a democracy since in a democracy everyone has an equal vote where now you vote for people who have all the votes. I believe the most effective governments are complete anarchy and absolute power everything inbetween has problems. Complete anarchy has the people ruling themselves and nobody else. If someone hits you you beat him up with some of your closest friends. Absolute power works since there is no complaining and as long as you trust the person you to not get power hungry it is a fail-proof system. While it's true these places might not offer what you want from a government I beleive they are the most effective forms of it when it comes to deciding disputes.

[Meh]

It would be interesting to see if the internet has an impact of making democaricies more direct via more voting on issues. But the problem with a direct democracy in this era is that the news outlets and marketing agencies would run the world even more than they do now.

Absolute power of a nice and wise person is great. But what about when they have an off day or decade? And then there is the transfer of power issue.

Anarchy would be great but the problem is in the tranistion to the large cultral change it would take to make it work.

Personally whatever goverment I would happen to be under my goal would be on less goverment and keeping it to what is vital and not just what people want it to do. For example there is an ordinace that dead trees must be removed and grass can't grow above a certain height. There are people paid to enforce this. That is ridiculous. Better to change the law to allow people to seek damages from insurance increases due to a neighboors dead tree and lower resale values due to a neighboors ugly lawn. Goverment as a babysitter has to stop.

[Meh]

My favorite goverment? Overgrandized since I never lived under it.

Late Renaissance family struture. The backdrop to the Romeo and Juliet tragedy fiction.

The towns were ruled unoffically by wealthy families who were unaligned and competed against one another. The goverments' miltary was smaller than most large families but followed the law and the governor and was just large enough to tip the scales in a inter familiy dispute. Peace was maintained when it was maintained by the everyday realization that when the families fought no one won in the end and loved ones would be lost. Also that if you did anything that the larger families didn't like the families would put an end to it and the goverment was unlikely to investigate. The families didn't go around picking on smaller groups rather supported them in a chess game with the other families. This is as close as most cultures can hope to come to anarchy. That is a balance of decentralized self competing power. A constant internal cold war if you will that flared up from time to time. The structure of the actual goverment matters little in this environment.

The fault of this system is it's inability to deal with outside threats. It was more likely that one or more of the families would align with the outside threat in order to eliminate other families.

[rklenseth]

Then vote Repulbican. Conseratives want less government not liberals. If you let democracts take over than you will have everything under social programs and thus making a welfare state or socialistic state which is from ' less government'.

I do not believe thatanarchy would ever work. Too many ways for someone or a group of people to take power to easily. And if there is anarchy then how will there be food for massive populations? etc...

Anarchy might work with the substitute of power hunger people on a small scale but on a large scale world such as our, it will never work.

I am totally against an absolute leader even though I do see it as the most effective form of government. I believe that the best form where the people are heard and protected is in a republic such as the United States. It still has some problems (too many social and welfare programs though all aren't bad; ie. welfare for the poor) but in time they can be worked out in time.

Plus I firmly believe in Alexander Hamiliton's ideal that it is not the job of the government to gather wealth. What money it doesn't use should be given back to the people and should the rich receive more that is because they pay more thus they are getting back money they rightly earned (unles you are Enron Executives). The middle class are the ones mostly screwed by this because we either get no or very little tax returns while we also can't get welfare and other certain social programs that the poor can.

[swymir]

Well I wasn't refering to Anarchy and absolute power in the real world. I meant in the game where there isn't very many places with a population of over 30. Anarachy would work in the game especiallyu is places where there is food that can just be farmed in the middle of other projects. What I'm getting at is back when you look into the past there was less crime when you knew that if you took a peace of bread your head was chopped off then now when you can go on a killing spree and come out with only 20 years in prison IF you get convicted. The only part of the constitution I beleive should be changed is the cruel and unusual punishment law. I believe crime would dramitically decrease if we had the death penelty for everything. Also I think in the game there should be something that keeps note stealers from trying to kill themsevles the day that they spawn. Maybe they can't hit anyone or be hit for the first week that they are there. This will at least make it a pain in the ass to gather all your people in one place.

[rklenseth]

Oh, I thought you were talking about real world. It is hard to determine what someone is talking about when we are talking about both Cantr and real world stuff in it.

I would agree that anarchy could work in Cantr but as I said before, there can't power hungry people who want absolute power because I think it would make it too easy to come to power unless these anarchist were somehow very organized in dealing with threat togeth but wouldn't that make them some sort of body or organization.

[swymir]

Well if they were all intersted in not having a government it woul dbe easy to just take out anyone who feels they want to reform the land. Everyone lookin gout for themselves an dtheir own interests.

[rklenseth]

But anyone smart person would keep their secrets well hidden up to the point when such a takeover would occur. But you are right they could take out anyone who wanted to have a government but as I said before wouldn't that make them a government and wouldn't that be a policy? Anarchies aren't suppose to have any rules or defined organizations but the people would clearly be organizing and if they said you cannot have sympathies for a government then that would be a rule.

[swymir]

In an anarchy everyone would have absolute freedom. If the people are devoted to those freedowms they wouldn't want a government if they di then they could establish a government as that would be one of their freedoms then the Anarachy would be over. Really I wish I could see these trbes that I'm hearing about in th enew area they sound like fun. I just need to kill off one of my characters I just don't know which one to kill off yet.

[rklenseth]

I've a little bit of the tribes with my character but my character is in the Kirinn Clan there ans isn't part of the tribes. Personally, I think the Kirinn Clan is more powerful than the tribes or at least was. My character went to Kirinn Forest right as the tribes were moving into Kirinn. It could be that my character returns to find out the tribes have destroy the Kirinn Clan.

[Missy]

Republicans want less govt? No comment.

[rklenseth]

Republicans will want less government but they will always leave cash aside to give to businesses because they believe that is what will keep the economy going. Conservatives on the other hand want less government because they believe that a government with its hands in everything will restrict people's freedoms. Liberals (mostly the extreme type you could call radicals), those of today and not yesterday, are more socialistic and believe in socialistic ideals over freedom. Thomas Jefferson is probably turning in his grave because of what liberalism has become and I personally don't think he would like it today but who am I to know his mind.
Anyways, Republicans have always been for less government but they have always believed in a strong central government as well as a foreign policy of isolation except for trade agreements. Democrats have always been for more government control of things but less power to the central government so as not to hurt their agricultural societies and small towns. That was one reason why the American Civil War was fought because the many southerners (who were Democrat) saw that the central government was gaining too much power and that this central government would not preserve the rights of the states. Many people from the north were Republican (except perhaps those people in New York City) and wanted to see a more central power in place to help trade and business. There was also a huge cultural gap between the north and the south. The south liked small towns while the north liked big cities etc....

[ephiroll]

The Cult needs more than 25 workers to be a problem. Ideally I would have an additional 85 workers to be soldiers before I considered anything threatening. I like to be sure I can win if I want to risk something

Needs more then 25 to be a problem? ...you could take over any region in Cantr with 5 well prepared and trained people...trick is to not take prisoners and have surprise on your side.

[Meh]

Repubs do stress less goverment however they also stress censorship. And that is the problem with a two party system.

Anarchy is not absolute freedom it is the acceptance of absolute responsiblity of each individual to the whole of society. You are free to do that as you see fit and you can get others to go along with you but it is hardly the vacation that the words absolute freedom implies.