Foreign Influences in English Language

[Dudel]

*three years (or two/four idk!) of actively rping learning it

Few people do that, at least in the English area. Most just pop up 3 or 4 years later after being DEAD ASS QUIET saying, "I R learned dis language now."

There is a recent one in Klojt but I don't care enough to report it.

[*Wiro]

I've encountered a few Dutch and German ones that try it. And some English that try Polish. Other than that not much, other than a few here and there.

The Polish and Spanish are largely ignorant about the learning rule. The Dutch used to, but since there's so few players it's easy to make them all aware about it.

[Rebma]

This isn't all true Wiro, though I've interacted with very few polish. One city that had about ten of them at one point, they all tried very hard to Rp, though maybe that is because I was using that charri to learn Polish as well.

Maybe its me, but I find the more willing my character happens to be at co-learning a language IG, the more the others language groups will RP it with that character. Maybe it's us english... like, I stopped trying to learn spanish with a charri that was having no help in a spanish town... so, maybe these spawns that break the rules or dont rp actively learning it are just players that haave been discouraged in the past.

It's a bit of give and take, and it has to start somewhere right?

[*Wiro]

My experiences have been different, Reb. And by no means do I wish to say that all Polish or Spanish don't listen to that rule. I mean, that'd be racism and that'd be bad. O:

Anyway, I found that often people just skip learning and go to English right away. I think it's more often a thing of not knowing than not caring though. Since a lot of these characters are still well-played.

[Dudel]

To be 100% honest, I would wait for a few days to see what language was spoken around my character before "picking one". That is if I, the player, knew more then English.

"Dudel! Then you'll be messing up the spawning system!"

Well not according to catpurr so I guess its okay, now.

Anyway, I do have to agree with Yugo. My stand on anything that has two sides is tell them both to piss off and make neither action allowed.

This means one language per character, story end.

OR.... we could just lock this thread and not argue about what is or isn't "allowed". If people think whatever it is a problem, report it to PD.

[IHaveNoLegs]

buncha nerds ITT

[SekoETC]

To be 100% honest, I would wait for a few days to see what language was spoken around my character before "picking one". That is if I, the player, knew more then English.

"Dudel! Then you'll be messing up the spawning system!"

Well not according to catpurr so I guess its okay, now.

It is messing up with the spawning system. But I would be okay with people doing that as long as they had their language group changed to match their chosen language as soon as possible.

[Jaxon]

It is messing up with the spawning system. But I would be okay with people doing that as long as they had their language group changed to match their chosen language as soon as possible.

The staff does too much pointless work like that though. One language per character, existing characters are exempt from this rule. The end.

[catpurr]

It is messing up with the spawning system. But I would be okay with people doing that as long as they had their language group changed to match their chosen language as soon as possible.

it is not.

Say a set polish character *roleplay* to learn english, and then start a town where most of the time english is spoken. This is possible in the current system and in no way better or worse.

If you start a character in language X, you are guaranteed that at least 2 players are around that can speak X. Also this is the same with and without "roleplaying" "languagelearning".

[Lyd]

OR.... we could just lock this thread and not argue about what is or isn't "allowed". If people think whatever it is a problem, report it to PD.

Well...actually, we have departed from the original thread which was a departure from another. So to clarify what this particular thread is discussing allow me to give this thought:

We are discussing foreign language influences on a given language group as in words and phrases that are used daily in English that have meaning because of constant use. The tread is not about sloppy acquisition of another language by a different language group or skewing the set spawning system.

[Dudel]

Right, and here was my thought.

Just don't speak/type fluent other languages then that which you picked to spawn in and the rest can be ignored.

Seriously, of the actual CRB garbage that I hear about and/or see... some minor language alterations is BS argumentation.

Not to mention that USA English isn't even bloody English! Regardless of years the word has been "accepted", more then HALF of the "English words" that exist aren't freaking English. Most are Spanish, French and Latin... that I remember.

Another Note: If someone shouts "Viva la Resistance" or says "Whoa, Deja Vu" you can always say IC "What? Are you speaking English?" or flat out ignore them.

Technically, they are not "speaking/typing English", but COME ON PEOPLE! We are getting anal about things, here, and its rather annoying.

...that the whole idea of people being "pure" was stupid.

[Lyd]

Actually, this must be interesting to some of us or it wouldn’t be such an active thread. Annoying or not, it’s interesting to me to know others’ thoughts on the subject. However, I would like to say this and though others have touched on this, I’ll have a go at it anyway.

My understanding of the game is to use the in-game abstract concepts and concrete objects around you to role-play upon. There is no sun or moon in Cantr II so I try not to role play that there is. I have been guilty of referring to the wind on a ship during role play because of my own weakness and love of the image I was creating. So in essence, I have committed a CRB while using a word within my given language group.

A purist to this notion might also assert that a given language spawn who refers to their given language as English, Spanish, Polish, or Dutch in game is guilty of the same as there is no in-game reference to what language you are speaking…anywhere except in personal notes perhaps. But we do not scream CRB in those instances. So in my thinking, using a foreign phrase or word that is used enough by a base language's speakers to be understood without explanation or use of a OCC dictionary, is communicating in the said language. If it is effective in communicating meaning to the respective language group then, in essence, it is no longer semantically “foreign”. So really…that was my only point.

Did I just say that in English? O_O *Doffing her capris for her bikini, she does an uber face palm then falls forward into her bowl of Kashi *

[Gran]

My whole idea on the thread is that people are discussing too many things here that are just barely related to each other. And while it might give the impression that the resulting thing is a conversation, people who are reading all this mind boggling ideas at the same time sometimes burst into rage, yelling that this whole thread is rather stupid. What is somewhat true.

And while knowing other's opinions is interesting, the flaming way they are written isn't.

[Lyd]

buncha nerds ITT

Gads...it's true!

[catpurr]

buncha nerds ITT

Allegation of nerd-ism in combination of not so widely known Internet slang acronym. Highly paradox . Or this post just fits perfect into the nerd-ism scheme.