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Postby Caesar » Sun Jul 19, 2009 5:54 pm

CantrFreak wrote:I honestly agree. .-.
I see 3 year olds very often that know everything about sex and swearing.


And perhaps I should be ashamed to say that I had a character participate in sexual activities? Two, actually.

It is a choice you make, why should others limit you in it because of your age?


Same in real life. You can advice someone to not (or actually) do something, but they end up making their own decisions and perhaps own mistakes.
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Postby Dudel » Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:05 pm

playerslayer666 wrote:original post edited. my assumption was based on a couple of different conversations about this in the forums..... hopfully this DOESN'T become an issue, which is why i made the topic. in hopes of finding a solution to the problem before it becomes a problem.

i thought about it a bit last night and i came to the conclusion that perhaps the game should have an age restriction ( or age advisement ) seen as people are also likely to run into swears in the game.

by " unwanted content " i don't mean just sex scenes. sorry i can't make more of a post i'll be bac on later.


Dudel wrote:I know Cantr ain't puppies and rainbows...


...but do you?

Dudel wrote:Some of us just don't want to deal with "that", even in game....


...but THEY are the ones who should say something to Cantr Staff.

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The "flag thing" is sorta kinda a breach in the CR and would cause more issues then it solves.

Players should be told when another PLAYER is uncomfortable. Recently I had an issue where a player wasn't fully "happy" with the way a character spoke. (He swore a lot) so I toned it down. NOW, I didn't STOP or anything and I did have PD explain that I'm not a total prick like my character is/was but I did try to "tone down" the swearing some.

NOTHING in character personality is 100% or set in stone. There is NOTHING that says a character can just "forget" swear words for a little bit. There is NOTHING that says the character could change his/her mind upon "doing that", whatever "that" may be.

It is THAT behavior that makes OTHERS uncomfortable. "But my character is a rapist! *whine*"

Well obvious the other PLAYER is not amused, don't be an asshat about it and force things. Move on, the PLAYER wont play along... I've found many who wont play along with simpler things... DEAL OR SHUT UP!

As for the REST OF YOU! TELL PD OR STFU! I like a GOOD CHUNK of Cantr players but this is STRAIGHT UP STUPID. If YOU, singular, have a problem THEN REPORT IT YOU DUMB IDIOT OF A HUMAN BEING! If you've NOT a problem then WHY ARE YOU BITCHING!? :x

BarbaricAvatar wrote:Yep, PD doesn't sit around watching every tiny thing that everyone does. So if you have a problem then tell us about it, otherwise we won't know.
If your character is being subjected to something you're not comfortable with (excluding murder, torture and other things that are part of the usual cantr life) like sex or excessive swearing, then tell us about it and i'll sharpen my whip.
Or alternatively OOC the other player to say "please don't, i don't like that" but be careful not to turn it into an IG flame-war.


This is, was, and seems to always will be your answer. You've gotten the answer to "your problem" MULTIPLE times now so please stop the noise.

End of Story!

As for sex whispers: They shouldn't have been going on in the first place but poor game mechanics let the problem persist without any interference from others.
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Postby SekoETC » Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:33 pm

People can replace swear words with *He swears excessively* if a player tells you reading certain words makes them feel uncomfortable.

And honestly I doubt the flagging system would make non-flagged women get raped more often since it already happens so rarely, and just because someone was okay with sexual content didn't necessarily mean they were okay with rape. And also the kind of people who would go around mass-raping people are likely to use auto-hitting, which would prompt the victim's player to reply with "OOC: Your actions are unrealistic as you aren't giving me enough room to type out my character's reaction, and if you keep doing that, I'll be forced to ignore parts or all of your rp."
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Postby SumBum » Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:40 pm

Caesar wrote:
Arenti wrote:
Cdls wrote:If the issue is so divided among individual players then why not do the following:


Upon sign up for new players, there should be a box or something that says "I do not wish to participate in any explicit sexual situations" and if that box is checked then each of those players chars are flagged as "Non sexually explicit" and somehow branded in game. They chars could be given a different color within game, or even a small description on their char page that says they are not willing to participate.


For players already registered, as well as those that may change their mind later, the similar checkbox can be placed within the "change" button found within the character screens upon login.


I don't like that idea it might mean female chars that have the box unchecked might be raped more.


It changes the behavior of characters.
And the description on a char's page is actually IC.

How would they know that the player(character?) does not want to participate in sexual activities like that? Are they psychic?


How would the suggested checkbox be any different than a player saying OOC that they did not feel comfortable RPing a situation. The "offending" char would change its behaviour either way. And I'd assume the checkbox info would be visible to others.

Not saying I agree with it, but it's not exactly a bad idea. Then the player wouldn't have to go through the whole OOC discussion which may not happen soon enough for the other player to change their char's behaviour or omit certain details.
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Postby SekoETC » Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:41 pm

You could take it as so that your character simply doesn't see those people as sexually attractive.
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Postby QueenofBlades » Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:44 pm

Dudel wrote:...NOTHING in character personality is 100% or set in stone. There is NOTHING that says a character can just "forget" swear words for a little bit. There is NOTHING that says the character could change his/her mind upon "doing that", whatever "that" may be.

It is THAT behavior that makes OTHERS uncomfortable. "But my character is a rapist! *whine*"

Well obvious the other PLAYER is not amused, don't be an asshat about it and force things. Move on, the PLAYER wont play along... I've found many who wont play along with simpler things... DEAL OR SHUT UP!

As for the REST OF YOU! TELL PD OR STFU! I like a GOOD CHUNK of Cantr players but this is STRAIGHT UP STUPID. If YOU, singular, have a problem THEN REPORT IT YOU DUMB IDIOT OF A HUMAN BEING! If you've NOT a problem then WHY ARE YOU BITCHING!? :x....


Dudel wrote:...As for sex whispers: They shouldn't have been going on in the first place but poor game mechanics let the problem persist without any interference from others.


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Postby Caesar » Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:45 pm

SumBum wrote:
Caesar wrote:
Arenti wrote:
Cdls wrote:If the issue is so divided among individual players then why not do the following:


Upon sign up for new players, there should be a box or something that says "I do not wish to participate in any explicit sexual situations" and if that box is checked then each of those players chars are flagged as "Non sexually explicit" and somehow branded in game. They chars could be given a different color within game, or even a small description on their char page that says they are not willing to participate.


For players already registered, as well as those that may change their mind later, the similar checkbox can be placed within the "change" button found within the character screens upon login.


I don't like that idea it might mean female chars that have the box unchecked might be raped more.


It changes the behavior of characters.
And the description on a char's page is actually IC.

How would they know that the player(character?) does not want to participate in sexual activities like that? Are they psychic?


How would the suggested checkbox be any different than a player saying OOC that they did not feel comfortable RPing a situation. The "offending" char would change its behaviour either way. And I'd assume the checkbox info would be visible to others.

Not saying I agree with it, but it's not exactly a bad idea. Then the player wouldn't have to go through the whole OOC discussion which may not happen soon enough for the other player to change their char's behaviour or omit certain details.


It would still simply be a CRB. Besides that, I am very sure most people here have had 'sex' in real life already. But when they have to talk about it, they seem to suddenly be scared or insulted about it.

Too protective an upbringing, perhaps? I just think they never had the opportunity to openly talk about it.
Of course this differs for each person, and I can never say that it is this way for every single person. (Although I am 100% sure it is for some.)
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Postby *Wiro » Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:54 pm

I doubt this is about kids anyway. I know not a single kid who's like "Don't swear, it is bad! :oops: :oops: :oops:", and even though there are some, it's not that often. It's more the overly sensitive adults that can't handle the roleplaying. And I think the argument of "It is a game!" is invalid. Cantr's not just a game. It's part game, part simulation.

If there are people who complain about people saying fuck, cunt and shit, though, then I guess Seko's example would be fine, however awkward it might be.

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Postby SekoETC » Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:55 pm

Caesar, there are many under-aged players and conservatives here.
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Postby SumBum » Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:55 pm

Caesar wrote:
It would still simply be a CRB. Besides that, I am very sure most people here have had 'sex' in real life already. But when they have to talk about it, they seem to suddenly be scared or insulted about it.

Too protective an upbringing, perhaps? I just think they never had the opportunity to openly talk about it.
Of course this differs for each person, and I can never say that it is this way for every single person. (Although I am 100% sure it is for some.)


So, you're saying people should not be allowed to request OOC to another player that they tone down sexual content? Everyone has different reasons for not wanting their chars to be involved in sexual details and none of those reasons are lame or irrational - I don't think that's anyone's right to judge.

In the past, I have had chars get involved sexually with others, but I won't be doing that this round. I don't want to have to explain to my gf why I'm basically cybering with someone in a game (but it's just roleplay, honey, honest!), nor do I feel that would be fair to her.
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Postby *Wiro » Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:58 pm

SumBum wrote:
Caesar wrote:
It would still simply be a CRB. Besides that, I am very sure most people here have had 'sex' in real life already. But when they have to talk about it, they seem to suddenly be scared or insulted about it.

Too protective an upbringing, perhaps? I just think they never had the opportunity to openly talk about it.
Of course this differs for each person, and I can never say that it is this way for every single person. (Although I am 100% sure it is for some.)


So, you're saying people should not be allowed to request OOC to another player that they tone down sexual content? Everyone has different reasons for not wanting their chars to be involved in sexual details and none of those reasons are lame or irrational - I don't think that's anyone's right to judge.

In the past, I have had chars get involved sexually with others, but I won't be doing that this round. I don't want to have to explain to my gf why I'm basically cybering with someone in a game (but it's just roleplay, honey, honest!), nor do I feel that would be fair to her.


Read the quotes and realize this is not about toning down the sexual content but completely not doing it at all.
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Postby Cdls » Mon Jul 20, 2009 3:41 am

The arguments that my suggestion constitute a crb is quite amusing considering that we are supposed to breach the CR in certain situations anyways. Like, no two characters in same town/communicating and so on. How would this be any worse than that?


Secondly, changing the chars actions is also not a valid argument as if the character in question was to reply OOC that they are not interested in acting out said action, it would be the same thing.


Third, this game has elements that can pretty much anger a wide variety of people, hell, I was explaining and showing the game off to someone the other day and she got upset cause I killed an animal. Sex is no different, some people are offended by it.


And lastly, this may be getting off topic but how RPing sexual situations considered "cybering"? IMO the definition of cybering is sexual chat with the goal of sexual gratification. If I do it, it is no different then any other RP, and I surely don't get any "sexual" urges from it. I may be alone in that, or maybe there are quite a few who feel the same way, but I just don't get the whole "OMG OMG someone said ass and titties!! *SPLAT*"
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Postby Ryaga » Mon Jul 20, 2009 3:53 am

Cdls wrote:The arguments that my suggestion constitute a crb is quite amusing considering that we are supposed to breach the CR in certain situations anyways. Like, no two characters in same town/communicating and so on. How would this be any worse than that?


Secondly, changing the chars actions is also not a valid argument as if the character in question was to reply OOC that they are not interested in acting out said action, it would be the same thing.


Third, this game has elements that can pretty much anger a wide variety of people, hell, I was explaining and showing the game off to someone the other day and she got upset cause I killed an animal. Sex is no different, some people are offended by it.


And lastly, this may be getting off topic but how RPing sexual situations considered "cybering"? IMO the definition of cybering is sexual chat with the goal of sexual gratification. If I do it, it is no different then any other RP, and I surely don't get any "sexual" urges from it. I may be alone in that, or maybe there are quite a few who feel the same way, but I just don't get the whole "OMG OMG someone said ass and titties!! *SPLAT*"
The people that are that conservative are an extremely small minority, because the amount of virgins in this world is ridiculously low. So if sex offends them, they're probably a lier or a hypocrite. And being upset by killing a textual animal? Animals die every day, if you can't stand the undetailed account of an animal's death, they need to go out and buy some children's cartoons, and soundproof their house. Your argument is as ridiculous as my suggestions ;)
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Postby SekoETC » Mon Jul 20, 2009 4:48 am

Cdls wrote:I was explaining and showing the game off to someone the other day and she got upset cause I killed an animal.


That made me laugh irl.
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Postby Cogliostro » Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:24 am

(oops, double post accident was here.)
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