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Postby toon » Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:21 pm

I'm gonna pretend like I never saw this. I think my IQ just dropped.
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Postby Caesar » Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:48 pm

toon wrote:I'm gonna pretend like I never saw this. I think my IQ just dropped.


*Going to

Gonna is wrong English.


Oops, sorry for correcting you, I JUST COULDN'T HELP IT!
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Postby *Wiro » Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:51 pm

Caesar wrote:
toon wrote:I'm gonna pretend like I never saw this. I think my IQ just dropped.


*Going to

Gonna is wrong English.


Oops, sorry for correcting you, I JUST COULDN'T HELP IT!


http://www.thefreedictionary.com/gonna

fail fail fail
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Postby toon » Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:57 pm

*Wiro wrote:
Caesar wrote:
toon wrote:I'm gonna pretend like I never saw this. I think my IQ just dropped.


*Going to

Gonna is wrong English.


Oops, sorry for correcting you, I JUST COULDN'T HELP IT!


http://www.thefreedictionary.com/gonna

fail fail fail


lol Hah, it's in the dictionary. It's a word.
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Postby Piscator » Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:08 pm

Yeah. You gotta improve your skillz if you wanna correct us. You're hella lame. ^^
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Postby Caesar » Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:39 pm

It's not a real word.
It has been put into the dictionary for the simple folks who fail to learn their English.

(I actually made four spelling mistakes in this post, which I corrected just in time.)
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Postby Rebma » Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:51 pm

"It" is in there.
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Postby Caesar » Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:56 pm

It is labeled as 'Informal', which means it is a word used in spoken, day to day language, but that it is not really an official word.

Or am I wrong there?
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Postby Piscator » Wed Jul 08, 2009 11:08 pm

It's a common English misconception that something that isn't in a dictionary, isn't a word. The people who make dictionaries are a lazy (and sometimes arrogant) bunch and the only difference between "isn't" and "gonna" is that the former is slightly longer in use.
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Postby Caesar » Wed Jul 08, 2009 11:14 pm

I guess you are right there, but that something is in the dictionary doesn't make it a word either.. Although words are formed by men, so why can't someone sitting behind his, or her, computer come up with a word like gonna, or something different, like lol. Perhaps I was wrong there, for trying to correct someone on a word that has been made up just as the words 'chair', 'butterscotch' and 'pronunciation'.


So hereby, however hard it is for me, my apologies for making a big deal out of, well... A word. It was stupid, but I just could not help myself.. :(


Another thing I would like to say that I have made myself lose The Game over ten times now by starting this discussion. Not too smart, I guess.
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Postby amika-babilfrenzo » Wed Jul 08, 2009 11:22 pm

The other thing to keep in mind is that English has no official central regulating body. (Unlike, for example, French with the Académie française) So usage defines what is proper. If a word is used enough it is correct by virtue of the fact that it is being used. Mind you that doesn't stop regular users of English from being a sort of psuedo-regulating body. After all, one probably wouldn't use informal speech in a résumé.
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Postby Gran » Thu Jul 09, 2009 12:07 am

I always thought "gonna" was a contraction/reduction. Maybe it is not valid in the formal speech but it is used by the common speech. Becoming common is the first step for a word or expression becoming part of the formal vocabulary.

It's just me... Or has anyone else noticed that many discussions here end up in linguistics, lexicography etc etc? :)
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Postby toon » Thu Jul 09, 2009 2:38 am

Ok so I could just put some random letters together and call it a word and if we use it enough and if it spreads, It will become a word, so anything anybody said can be a word it just isn't a formal word. So would bowchickawowow be considered a word?
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Postby Rebma » Thu Jul 09, 2009 3:09 am

Yes, and someone already did that.

I vote for shataloo.
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Postby Gran » Thu Jul 09, 2009 6:18 am

You two are forgetting the implict barrier that a word takes to become commonplace. It has to be natural. It has to sound natural. It has to be catchy. There is a whole bunch of rules about the language that are simply imbued in our human languages.

- A "unnatural" word would only be capable of reaching the commonplace by "unnatural" means e.g. Spamming it into the common vocabulary in some way.
- And there is then the problem of it becoming a formal word. I has to stay in vocabulary enough time to solidify into the language. Otherwise it will fade into the pit of Old Slang.
- And, the third problem is that the very concept of word defines that a word needs a meaning. And you know, bowchickawowow... :?
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