Well did any of you here about the new theory that things can go quicker than the speed of light?
Ok I just heard about this today and I'm really too lazy to do research on anything I rant about so here is what I heard and maybe someone else can elaborate and warp it to actually follow the laws of physics.
It seems that when you take two subatomic particles (such as electrons) and entangle them (ie. smash them together really quickly) that what you do to one electron will happen to the other electron that it is entangled with, but what is baffeling scientists is that it happens instantly even if the electrons were millions of lightyears away (don't ask me how they know this). That is pretty scary. Its making them rethink the shape of the universe which is the only way it can be explained so far.
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Swymir wrote:Well did any of you here about the new theory that things can go quicker than the speed of light?
Ok I just heard about this today and I'm really too lazy to do research on anything I rant about so here is what I heard and maybe someone else can elaborate and warp it to actually follow the laws of physics.
It seems that when you take two subatomic particles (such as electrons) and entangle them (ie. smash them together really quickly) that what you do to one electron will happen to the other electron that it is entangled with, but what is baffeling scientists is that it happens instantly even if the electrons were millions of lightyears away (don't ask me how they know this). That is pretty scary. Its making them rethink the shape of the universe which is the only way it can be explained so far.
IT's called Quantum Teleportation, and I don't think that they were million of light years away lol, that must be an exageration. They do it in Subatomic Particle Machines... Similiar to the machine they used for the Nuclear Bomb, and the Hydrogen Bomb.
Well anyway, That isn't really something "groundbreaking" Light speed was never thought of a "speed limit" for everything, jsut for matter. Subatomic particles have no problem doing so, in fact a little thing called Dark Energy does it all the time.
IT is still interesting, they managed to speed up light in these machines, they do this by shining a regular flash light throught the tunnel, and it was outstounding when they discovered that the light reached the Other side, one Millionth of a second(more or less) BEFORE the switch was turned on!!!
SO yeah Quantum Teleportation is cool, there doing in regularly with Particles, it's basicaly what do in star trek, you know "beem me up scotty" except they can't do it with Matter, and don't think it's possible.
However there is a theory that they could somehow transform a human(matter) to the subatomic particles (which we are made of) and send us "bit by bit".... who would like to be the first test subject for that one? lol
EDIT: THe machine is called a "Subatomic Nuclear Reactor"
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PsychoEmperor wrote:Swymir wrote:Well did any of you here about the new theory that things can go quicker than the speed of light?
Ok I just heard about this today and I'm really too lazy to do research on anything I rant about so here is what I heard and maybe someone else can elaborate and warp it to actually follow the laws of physics.
It seems that when you take two subatomic particles (such as electrons) and entangle them (ie. smash them together really quickly) that what you do to one electron will happen to the other electron that it is entangled with, but what is baffeling scientists is that it happens instantly even if the electrons were millions of lightyears away (don't ask me how they know this). That is pretty scary. Its making them rethink the shape of the universe which is the only way it can be explained so far.
IT's called Quantum Teleportation, and I don't think that they were million of light years away lol, that must be an exageration. They do it in Subatomic Particle Machines... Similiar to the machine they used for the Nuclear Bomb, and the Hydrogen Bomb.
Well anyway, That isn't really something "groundbreaking" Light speed was never thought of a "speed limit" for everything, jsut for matter. Subatomic particles have no problem doing so, in fact a little thing called Dark Energy does it all the time.
IT is still interesting, they managed to speed up light in these machines, they do this by shining a regular flash light throught the tunnel, and it was outstounding when they discovered that the light reached the Other side, one Millionth of a second(more or less) BEFORE the switch was turned on!!!
SO yeah Quantum Teleportation is cool, there doing in regularly with Particles, it's basicaly what do in star trek, you know "beem me up scotty" except they can't do it with Matter, and don't think it's possible.
However there is a theory that they could somehow transform a human(matter) to the subatomic particles (which we are made of) and send us "bit by bit".... who would like to be the first test subject for that one? lol
EDIT: THe machine is called a "Subatomic Nuclear Reactor"
Errr....... Subatomic particles are matter. They take up space and have mass just like everything else that is considered matter.
And Swymir where did you hear this. I don't doubt your credability but I would like to look it up. It sounds interesting.
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[quote="trageErrr....... Subatomic particles are matter. They take up space and have mass just like everything else that is considered matter.
And Swymir where did you hear this. I don't doubt your credability but I would like to look it up. It sounds interesting.[/quote]
Well if your going to think about it like that... then Water... Air.... and Light are matter as well.. EVERYTHING is made up of Particles and subatomic particles...
And Swymir where did you hear this. I don't doubt your credability but I would like to look it up. It sounds interesting.[/quote]
Well if your going to think about it like that... then Water... Air.... and Light are matter as well.. EVERYTHING is made up of Particles and subatomic particles...
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Just want to make a comment on the 'earth is the perfect distance away' statements:
Earth is the perfect distance away for -us- to thrive. Who's saying that there aren't lifeforms that would find our planet utterly unlivable and think 'crap, nothing could live there.'
Earth is the perfect distance away for -us- to thrive. Who's saying that there aren't lifeforms that would find our planet utterly unlivable and think 'crap, nothing could live there.'
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Well, I think that won't happen, since I believe that the only climate 'something' can live in, is the climate we have on earth.new.vogue.nightmare wrote:Earth is the perfect distance away for -us- to thrive. Who's saying that there aren't lifeforms that would find our planet utterly unlivable and think 'crap, nothing could live there.'
I don't have seen any evidence of aliens or whatever, so until then, I don't believe there will be other live. Not close to us, not far, far, away.
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Wow, XBL, our exobiologist. :p
Who's to say that life elsewhere has evolved in completely different circumstances? We all evolved from single celled organisms, like bacteria. They can survive in a huge temperature range. Now, if those organsisms didn't evolve in earthlike conditions, but in a much higher or lower temp, they would evolve to more comlpicated multi-cell creatures and not needing an earthlike temperature range. I mean, look, even on earth different species evolved to adapt to completely different living conditions, in a mere 100.000 years. Compare the african savannah to the polar regions. If the evolution of those single cellers started in a completely different temp. range and even atmosphere, they'd have millions of years to evolve. And now I'm talking about life as we know it. Who's to say life has to look what we're used to? Who's to say that life needs oxygen per-se? Or built up by cells as we know it? To think everything has to be like we know it now just because it's all we know, it borders to ignorance and narrow-mindedness. History has proved that the facts have always proved to be more fantastic than fiction.
Who's to say that life elsewhere has evolved in completely different circumstances? We all evolved from single celled organisms, like bacteria. They can survive in a huge temperature range. Now, if those organsisms didn't evolve in earthlike conditions, but in a much higher or lower temp, they would evolve to more comlpicated multi-cell creatures and not needing an earthlike temperature range. I mean, look, even on earth different species evolved to adapt to completely different living conditions, in a mere 100.000 years. Compare the african savannah to the polar regions. If the evolution of those single cellers started in a completely different temp. range and even atmosphere, they'd have millions of years to evolve. And now I'm talking about life as we know it. Who's to say life has to look what we're used to? Who's to say that life needs oxygen per-se? Or built up by cells as we know it? To think everything has to be like we know it now just because it's all we know, it borders to ignorance and narrow-mindedness. History has proved that the facts have always proved to be more fantastic than fiction.
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I just simply don't take it that there is some live out there, unless it's proven. Yes, maybe I'm narrowminded or ignorant or however you want to call me, but I just want evidence before I believe anything.
And there is more needed for an organism to evolve then temparture. What do you think of a good athomosphere? The reason we leave on the earth and not on the moon, is because we have an atmosphere here where we can live in.
There a millions of things for a creature to become what it is, and many of those things aren't on all planets. The earth is just damn lucky that it has all the factors that makes live possible.
And, yes, maybe there are organisms that can live in other circumstances, but I haven't seen it proven yet.
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And there is more needed for an organism to evolve then temparture. What do you think of a good athomosphere? The reason we leave on the earth and not on the moon, is because we have an atmosphere here where we can live in.
There a millions of things for a creature to become what it is, and many of those things aren't on all planets. The earth is just damn lucky that it has all the factors that makes live possible.
And, yes, maybe there are organisms that can live in other circumstances, but I haven't seen it proven yet.
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I includedd atmosphere in my previous post. And don't forget that mars had an atmosphere.
Anyway, who say's life needs oxygen or the mixture we have here on earth? Look at plants for instance.
K, here comes the evidence: Bacteria, they can survive tempuratures of well below freezing point or near boiling temp. (And even over).They may not be complex organisms, but organisms nevertheless.
Besides, there's life on this planet living under extreme conditions. Like 5000 metres under the sea, where life was thought impossible untill recently. 500 Bar of pressure, a complete abscence of light (Thought to be a requirement for life). And we're talking complex organisms here.
Oh, and I didn't call you narrowminded or ignorant, I meant humanity as a whole. There are so many thing's we know nothing of yet, and still we desmiss the unknown as fantasy or a lunatics thought. Now we know the earth is "round", the earth is not the centre of the universe and that the sun does not revolve around the earth, man have been on the moon, we created flying machines, etc. People have been burnt on the stake for even suggesting those things. And still they were right. Jules Vernes books were dismissed as mere fantasy, but his stories were more like predictions than they were "science fiction" books. In general, science fiction proves to become "Science fact" given some time.
Besides, what is "Life"? The defenition of life, wasn't that something like "reproducing, metabolism, growth"? That's a whole lot of possibilities.
Some scientists suggested that a computer virus could be called life, and it could by using the old defenition of life, which didn't include metabolism. (I think)
Anyway, who say's life needs oxygen or the mixture we have here on earth? Look at plants for instance.
And, yes, maybe there are organisms that can live in other circumstances, but I haven't seen it proven yet.
K, here comes the evidence: Bacteria, they can survive tempuratures of well below freezing point or near boiling temp. (And even over).They may not be complex organisms, but organisms nevertheless.
Besides, there's life on this planet living under extreme conditions. Like 5000 metres under the sea, where life was thought impossible untill recently. 500 Bar of pressure, a complete abscence of light (Thought to be a requirement for life). And we're talking complex organisms here.
Oh, and I didn't call you narrowminded or ignorant, I meant humanity as a whole. There are so many thing's we know nothing of yet, and still we desmiss the unknown as fantasy or a lunatics thought. Now we know the earth is "round", the earth is not the centre of the universe and that the sun does not revolve around the earth, man have been on the moon, we created flying machines, etc. People have been burnt on the stake for even suggesting those things. And still they were right. Jules Vernes books were dismissed as mere fantasy, but his stories were more like predictions than they were "science fiction" books. In general, science fiction proves to become "Science fact" given some time.
Besides, what is "Life"? The defenition of life, wasn't that something like "reproducing, metabolism, growth"? That's a whole lot of possibilities.
Some scientists suggested that a computer virus could be called life, and it could by using the old defenition of life, which didn't include metabolism. (I think)
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About the subatomic particle thing well I heard it froma subsitute teracher during my study hall so he may have just ran down the abriged version since I have a bunch of frigging retards in my class who couldn't even spell atom let alone know what one is adn I also remember him saying the theory existed since 1910. I just thought it was cool and decided to post what I knew about it and let someone else who actually DOES his research to find the rest.
As for perfect enviroments "I said before there is no perfect enviroment." Normally if we stepped into a dark room we would think "man I would never want to spend my life here" simply because we are used to light. Take a man (not even a different organism) who was born in the dark and has spent every moment of his life in the dark then after about 40 years decide to let him out and bring him iinto the light. He would most likely die of stress. If he doesn't die then he would probably go back to his darkness where he felt comfortable. This notion kind of proves (although I hope it has never been tested) that it all depends on your surroundings and how well you adept to it to decide what is the perfect conditions.
Another examplke would be just travelling into another part of the world. If your from the equator and decided to move up north where it's cooler. You might think "dang, it's way to cold up here, I'm never coming back again" Where other cultures and lifeforms have no problem taking a swim in the artic conditions it's all they have known and I'm sure if you threw them down south they couldn't get cool enough.
As for perfect enviroments "I said before there is no perfect enviroment." Normally if we stepped into a dark room we would think "man I would never want to spend my life here" simply because we are used to light. Take a man (not even a different organism) who was born in the dark and has spent every moment of his life in the dark then after about 40 years decide to let him out and bring him iinto the light. He would most likely die of stress. If he doesn't die then he would probably go back to his darkness where he felt comfortable. This notion kind of proves (although I hope it has never been tested) that it all depends on your surroundings and how well you adept to it to decide what is the perfect conditions.
Another examplke would be just travelling into another part of the world. If your from the equator and decided to move up north where it's cooler. You might think "dang, it's way to cold up here, I'm never coming back again" Where other cultures and lifeforms have no problem taking a swim in the artic conditions it's all they have known and I'm sure if you threw them down south they couldn't get cool enough.
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If you mean quantum tunneling, it's not new at all, but it's completely impractical. Now, if you mean the more recent experiments with entangled photons, no particles are actually moving faster than light, and, as a matter of fact, no meaningful information can be sent that way, either.
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hmm maybe we should start a "people who have no clue what they are talking about thread" where people can mutter off incoherant sentinces within the safety of others who can relate. (This isn't directed at you Sho; so don't get angry)
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Okay, fine. So I have to actually explain something? Meh.
Quantum tunneling is a random phenomenon in which something will go through a state in which it's not normally allowed to be and end up on the other side. For example, I could tunnel through a solid brick wall. It would be extremely unlikely, but it is possible. Quantum tunneling is a significant effect in the nanometer scale. Hard drives have read heads with quantum tunneling technology. The scanning tunneling microscope uses quantum tunneling for its ultrasensitive sensor.
Recently there have been some interesting experiments with entangled particles. Basically, you take a photon and run it through a beam splitter. If this is done right, you get two entangled photons. Apparently, when one changes state, so does the other (instantaneously), or something like that. Some say this is information traveling faster than light, but there is some reason that this can never be used to send meaningful messages.
Quantum tunneling is a random phenomenon in which something will go through a state in which it's not normally allowed to be and end up on the other side. For example, I could tunnel through a solid brick wall. It would be extremely unlikely, but it is possible. Quantum tunneling is a significant effect in the nanometer scale. Hard drives have read heads with quantum tunneling technology. The scanning tunneling microscope uses quantum tunneling for its ultrasensitive sensor.
Recently there have been some interesting experiments with entangled particles. Basically, you take a photon and run it through a beam splitter. If this is done right, you get two entangled photons. Apparently, when one changes state, so does the other (instantaneously), or something like that. Some say this is information traveling faster than light, but there is some reason that this can never be used to send meaningful messages.
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Well, there is a US patent on a superluminal energy transmission device. 
http://www.ipwatchdog.com/obscurepatents/obspat_6_29_03.html
Yeah. . . gone are the days in which people like Albert Einstein worked in patent offices. It's all rubber-stamping monkeys now.
http://www.ipwatchdog.com/obscurepatents/obspat_6_29_03.html
Yeah. . . gone are the days in which people like Albert Einstein worked in patent offices. It's all rubber-stamping monkeys now.
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