Cantr Regional Development

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Cantr Regional Development

Postby rklenseth » Fri Sep 19, 2003 3:17 am

I really like how the different regions in Cantr develop into different cultures.

You have Siom/Quillanoi/Brunoi/Tircqi Region that mostly tends toward democracy but at the same time has had their share of tyrants (did you know tha back in Ancient Greece, tyrants were considered to good leaders instead of bad and that a tyranny was considered the best way to run a democractic state; funny how things get turned around throughout history). But they all tend to have close to the same characteristics in culture as such.

Then you have the Blaman/Alenz/Cantr/Ladvicitavoi etc. Region that usually has big powerful businesses the sources of power in most places while there is an empire that seems to affect many of the places. Plus, I notice that this area is usually very violent (not as violent as some other places but pretty close). There is always much conflict brewing in that area but usually it tends to be brought out in long drawn out battles and strageties.

Then there is Krif/Drojf/Seatown Region which is quite possibiliy has the most violent past. This are always has intrigue and mystery all over it. Sometimes you don't know who to trust or anything. Though, I think the place had quieted down in recent Cantr years, I still think that is has the spark that it has had in the past. One can say there is never a dull day in that region. I noticed that the violent culture has slowly gone away since a lot of the powerful, violent people have died off.

The Blojt/Blit/Longinazy Region is one of the areas that joined to gather with relatively little violence. But then there were the early days of that region that were violent and savage. Cultures do change alot around here.

What are other people thinking? I like to know how people feel about the how the cultures and societies in Cantr have formed and in man cases merged.

I joined Cantr at a time when an area was considered an independent state and there were none if any places that formed together under one government (the only place I can think of is the Empire of Ladvicitavoi). I have seen a lot of the cultures change and stuff. I think it is cool to look back at what Cantr was and what it is today. A lot has changed but I'm sure a lot more has yet to change.

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Postby swymir » Fri Sep 19, 2003 4:05 am

You forgot the Shai/Sring-Sri/Nramm/Bahk/Dhung region. The region of killer goats and poverty. Although the goats are now under control and they practically wiped out the islands inhabitants. Maybe now theres a chance for cooperation between the area.
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Postby Meh » Fri Sep 19, 2003 4:37 am

Krif/Drojf/Seatown is filled with the war weary.

There still seems to be mention some old scores that have not fully been forgotten. Whether this is the start of a new era in the region or merely a relection of the natural pause pause between active wars as IRL only time will tell.

IRL it is always after the healing and rebuilding is done that is the crtical time. IRL history shows that a new generation that has not known war can be easily be tempted by the tales of glory from prior wars. IRL death is sorrowful and final so in the game are there a few more brave fools than IRL?

Will the next generation of newspawns be brought into a spirit of inclusion or will they be discluded or even being included refuse peace and have conquest, rulership, greed or merely bloodlust burning in their hearts?

Will the cycle repeat once again or change into a lasting peace?

{I don't have any one character that could have that prespective. They all are seeing or have seen just a little bit of the drama. So I can't pipe this in IC which is why it is here in the OOC area. I don't think it give too much away speaking from 10,000 feet up anyway.}
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Postby Missy » Fri Sep 19, 2003 9:43 am

I think I see things much differantly than you Richard. LOL!!!!

Personally I always found Krif rather boring. Maybe it's because people had hidden strategies? And maybe because I could never keep a character there even when i DID try. LOL I don't know what it's like today however so I can't comment very much.

I think you are right when you say Quillanoi is set up to be a democracy--However what their view of a democracy is/and what the US' view of a democracy is has recently been shown to be diff as I've seen for myself. LMAO @ some things in Quillanoi right now. :)


As for Blojt I was there when the govt started. I personally don't feel it has changed much--but has grown quite a bit! As far as communication and travel and man power go.


I can't get a char in siom. :( :( :( so I don't know what it is like really today either. But I can say that im positive it has grown for the simple fact I see the name siom popping up in towns where it hadn't a lonnnng time ago. I'm sure that it's probably still based on the same laws etc it was when it first got up and running. (I had been) in that town right after some mad man killed one of the first govs there. I remember the first leaders thought Ima pig had something to do with it due to a note they found that mentioned her name. (Gosh does anyone even remember back that far????LOL that was forever ago)


I don't believe you mentioned pok--and I don't have a char there "currently" either. But from what I noted the govt there has changed kind of. They've always been kinda laid back---but meanwhile they've also started taking more action. This place has also grown. Its not real big. But has grown a LOT since I had my first account.

Haven't been to sring sri, and I haven't been to the new island yet either. :( :(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To sum it all up--of course things have grown a lot. Some places have changed but I believe the changes have all been minor.


Oh and as for Tircqi? Jai'une question!! Is that town EVER going to get a council that STAYS????????? LOL There must have been at least 5 diff councils there so far! No pun intended--but I think Purple was good for tircqi! LOL IT seemed like she was the person who ever stayed in power there the longest! :lol: :lol: :lol: (Sorry to the current heads of tircqi lmao---I have faith in you. LOL)
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Postby Pirog » Fri Sep 19, 2003 12:15 pm

However what their view of a democracy is/and what the US' view of a democracy is has recently been shown to be diff as I've seen for myself.


Yeah, kind of like the US view on democracy differs from the rest of the world IRL. :wink:
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Postby rklenseth » Fri Sep 19, 2003 3:16 pm

Oh, I was going to mention Pok;
Then there is Pok all alone and by itself. :D

I also didn't mention Kirinn because it is fairly new and hasn't quite developed into itself yet. And Shai Region because I have never had a character there. And Mirovash and Olipifirvash Regions because, other than Olipifirovash Forest, I never had a character around long enough to know anything about the places. And Moku because nothing is really happening but some developing towns but then do have the Unnamed Ones Religion which is growing quite popular around there.

Democracy is quite different in America than in Europe. Europe democracies, most at least, are based on socialistic principles while America is based more on the classical principles of Greece and Rome. I was always intrigue by one big difference between America and Europe; In America you are innocent until proven guilty, in most countries in Europe you are guilty until you can prove your innocence. That is a major difference but then again Louisanna also uses the European Principle on the state level. That is why the prisons there are always over flowing with criminals. :wink:
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Postby Solfius » Fri Sep 19, 2003 3:47 pm

on the new island there are 2 forming Councils, which I think sucks s there are councils all over the place, and I'd love the new island to be unique to the rest of the world. And one fledgling empire, as well as a few small tribes of people, and various other out of spawn town settlements
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Postby Thomas Pickert » Fri Sep 19, 2003 4:19 pm

@rklenseth: In German courts, 'in dubio pro reo' is a frequently applied rule. Which country in Europe asks defendants to prove their innocence to not be considered guilty?
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Postby Solfius » Fri Sep 19, 2003 4:31 pm

Don't think England does that either
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Postby Meh » Fri Sep 19, 2003 5:12 pm

Solfius wrote:on the new island there are 2 forming Councils, which I think sucks s there are councils all over the place, and I'd love the new island to be unique to the rest of the world. And one fledgling empire, as well as a few small tribes of people, and various other out of spawn town settlements


Yeah I would prefer that the councils refer to themselves as something different even if they operate just as a council would.
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Postby Solfius » Fri Sep 19, 2003 5:16 pm

I'm most interested in the tribes, as there is nothing like them on cantr thus far. If they fail then I'd like to see the empire all powerful, as there are still few empires compared to democracies
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Postby rklenseth » Fri Sep 19, 2003 5:44 pm

Thomas Pickert wrote:@rklenseth: In German courts, 'in dubio pro reo' is a frequently applied rule. Which country in Europe asks defendants to prove their innocence to not be considered guilty?


I said some. I know that is how it is France thus the connection with Louisanna since France still considers it part of France. People of Louisanna are automatically given French citizenship if they are born there. There is a joke going around that legally former President Bill Clinton could run for the presidency in France since he was born in Lousianna though I would believe there would be some sort of technically involved that wouldn't allow him to.

But Germany has something pretty close to that except they just say that they are neither innocent nor guilty but they have to prove one and disprove the other.

I heard that a lot of European Countries also don't allow guilty beyond a reasonable doubt which is also a major factor in American Courts. There are major differences between Continental European democracies and American democracy.

I would put UK democracy into a league of its own. It is somewhat different from Continental democracies while it also different from American democracies. I also, I took Advanced American History 2 years ago, that we got policy 'innocent until proven guilty' from the British anyway. I would need to look in my notes so don't quote me on that one.
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Postby Jos Elkink » Sun Sep 21, 2003 4:08 pm

Well, 'innocent until proven guilty' is really common in all respected democracies, and otherwise the country doesn't really deserve the name 'democracy' ;) ... In Western Europe, it definitely is common practice. Differences in judicial systems are more the differences between common law and ... oops, forgot the other name ... and the differences between having juries and not having juries.

Continental Europe and the US definitely have quite different concepts of democracy, and indeed, president Russell would be a typical European politician :) ... He's played by someone from continental Europe ;) ...
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Postby Solfius » Sun Sep 21, 2003 4:11 pm

jos, do you mean case law for the other kind?
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Postby new.vogue.nightmare » Sun Sep 21, 2003 7:08 pm

Solfius wrote:I'm most interested in the tribes, as there is nothing like them on cantr thus far. If they fail then I'd like to see the empire all powerful, as there are still few empires compared to democracies


Tribes? Fail? I think not. Muhahahahahahahaha!
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