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Postby Rebma » Sat Apr 11, 2009 8:04 am

Idriveayugo wrote:
Rebma19 wrote:Stutter, see above, doll.


Well then stay the hell away from one of my characters.


You couldn't kill the charri if you tried. They're like invincible.
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Postby Dantezro » Sat Apr 11, 2009 8:46 am

I didn`t mean occasional stuttering, I meant permanent speech impediments- muteness included.
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Postby Rebma » Sat Apr 11, 2009 8:56 am

I knew what you meant hun, I was just pointing out all the different speech impediment types there were. At least I was trying to.

The character I referred to earlier, she's brazen and bold as all hell, but she stutters. All the time. She has for over 20 in game years, consistantly. I don't think stuttering is any different than slang in a game..You know, characters who say y'all, or doin', or just speak different from the rest of the populace in general. Its the same kind of thing. Cantr isn't about everybody uniformly typing. What creativity does that elicit? Imagine "A game where you can be anything, create a unique individual...BUT not -too- unique! No no, keep your typing conformed with the rest around you."

Although the muteness does kinda bug me, but only when people change the method they had their player communicating, just because its easier on them as a player. This is more of a dislike for player's laziness than the type of charri in general (though some RP learning to communicate differently, which I like). But I mean like going just suddenly one day from writing on the ground, to writing a note. Or going from writing notes, to mouthing words, as if you'd been doing it all along.

I think as long as the roleplay is consistent, I don't have many problems with stutterers and such...

Alas, I'm b..b..biased. :lol:
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Postby SekoETC » Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:14 am

I have (had) several characters who stutter when they're nervous or emotionally shaken but none of them do it all the time. I don't think I've met a single stuttering character who could be said to have no depth.

Idriveayugo wrote:I don't like people who stutter, talk with an accent, or talk in other ways odd in cantr.

I kill those who do.


I hope that was a joke since it would be a CRB. Your characters are supposed to be individuals and it would be unrealistic that they were all shallow enough to kill someone over the way the person talks. That's just as bad as someone killing characters over preaching a religion that's not Christianity. How you feel about things shouldn't affect your characters' behaviour. Some of my characters are annoyed by stuttering while some might find it endearing, or simply normal.

- I had a simple-minded character who had trouble pronouncing long words and had somewhat limited vocabulary, also stuttered while nervous.

- I had another character who spawned practically without knowing how to speak at all and picked up some simple words but never learned anything complicated because no one went through the trouble of teaching him, except one person taught him to count to four and that was a very precious moment to him. His vocabulary was so simple that I made a checklist for reference.

- One of my characters was spawned with a strong accent but somehow it faded along the way. I say it's due to traveling so much. He can be very eloquent while speaking to rich and powerful people but switch to a casual way of talking when dealing with peasants.

- I had a character who was very articulate and always said "I have" instead of "I've" and so on.

- One of my characters started with a "nigga" accent but had to learn to speak more articulately when dealing with foreigners. He hasn't had a chance to speak proper English in years so he might sound blunt when initiating conversations, not bothering with such things as articles since they don't exist in the other language he's been learning, but when he gets carried away he gets more wordy and might fall back to the ghetto accent. Sometimes it's tricky deciding if he should say ya or you (or your) and how many times you can end a word in -in' instead of -ing before it starts to look annoying. People might not realize that words may sound different based on what comes after them.

- Another character started with stretching vowels, it was a mannerism rather than an accent. She dropped it when it was no longer useful but might occasionally (rarely) slip back into it.

- I have two characters who have somewhat limited vocabulary due to being spawned with minimal information, and also try to use simple sentences. One of them occasionally stutters while nervous.

- Both of my Finnish characters have a slight accent (different) but they might not integrate all parts of a real life accent since I don't use any checklists. I just try to remember the personal pronouns and say other stuff according to what feels right.

- My youngest character has some sort of a slight accent but I have trouble remembering how it works. :?

I have 18 other characters (most of them dead) who don't have any notable accent. Might occasionally say ya instead of you but it's just being casual.
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Postby Idriveayugo » Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:01 pm

Rebma19 wrote:
Idriveayugo wrote:
Well then stay the hell away from one of my characters.


You couldn't kill the charri if you tried. They're like invincible.


Seko, is having invincible characters a CRB?
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Postby SekoETC » Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:02 pm

You said "I kill" those who do, not "one of my characters kills". Technically you couldn't carry out that threat since you can't enter Cantr personally, only through proxies (your characters) and don't have db access or what ever PD uses to kill characters. Hair-splitting I know. Also rebma was clearly exaggerating but you know that. :) No one can have invincible characters.

Well... one with db access could probably give a character over 100% health, technically that might make a character invincible - until they are spotted and banned, so it would be a CRB (sort of) but it wouldn't be permanent invincibility.
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Postby Idriveayugo » Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:22 pm

SekoETC wrote:You said "I kill" those who do, not "one of my characters kills". Technically you couldn't carry out that threat since you can't enter Cantr personally, only through proxies (your characters) and don't have db access or what ever PD uses to kill characters. Hair-splitting I know. Also rebma was clearly exaggerating but you know that. :) No one can have invincible characters.

Well... one with db access could probably give a character over 100% health, technically that might make a character invincible - until they are spotted and banned, so it would be a CRB (sort of) but it wouldn't be permanent invincibility.


I take it you are an incredibly analytical type of person. Are you in the legal profession?
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Postby joo » Sat Apr 11, 2009 1:33 pm

All of my characters have subtle differences in the way they speak and what they say... but I never over-emphasise on a speech impediment, which would be taking away from the real RP.

I do have one character who spawned with almost no short-term or long-term memory, who payed little or no attention to his surroundings, and often thought aloud. His speech was broken up into many trails of though, however as he interacted with other people, his social ability improved.

Most notably, there were no serious barriers preventing other characters understanding him, which I think is the issue here.

Edit: Fu*k, I forgot to read the second page before posting...
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Postby Marian » Sat Apr 11, 2009 1:49 pm

Idriveayugo wrote:I take it you are an incredibly analytical type of person. Are you in the legal profession?


No, she's just Seko. :lol:

Anyway, I've seen some a couple of pretty interesting mute characters, at least. The first one that comes to mind is Summer Silverblood, I think her player handles it really well.
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Postby Dudel » Sat Apr 11, 2009 5:34 pm

SekoETC wrote:- I had a simple-minded character who had trouble pronouncing long words and had somewhat limited vocabulary, also stuttered while nervous.


I do this! This is my 'stuttering' character, give or take. A few of you may know him but my characters don't actually st..st...stutter. It.. its, its more like a uh... train of um... thought? A couple of you know this character VERY well. ;)

- I had a character who was very articulate and always said "I have" instead of "I've" and so on.


This is SO MUCH fun to do! I've one character that does this and uses overly complicated words rather then just 'Yes' or 'no'. He always needs to explain things that need no explanation and it leads to some interesting role-playing. In some instances this character's behavior has even resulted in 'agro' on his person.

- One of my characters started with a "nigga" accent but had to learn to speak more articulately when dealing with foreigners. He hasn't had a chance to speak proper English in years so he might sound blunt when initiating conversations, not bothering with such things as articles since they don't exist in the other language he's been learning, but when he gets carried away he gets more wordy and might fall back to the ghetto accent. Sometimes it's tricky deciding if he should say ya or you (or your) and how many times you can end a word in -in' instead of -ing before it starts to look annoying. People might not realize that words may sound different based on what comes after them.


Think I've one that does this but I don't like the term you used. YES I see those quotes but y'all know me! :lol: It is a balance act but really I just say it how I think the character will say it and then type it. Ifn I drop in an 'ifn' then I type in an 'ifn' even ifn it gets annoyn'. :lol:

- I have two characters who have somewhat limited vocabulary due to being spawned with minimal information, and also try to use simple sentences. One of them occasionally stutters while nervous.


Limited vocab and simple sentences. Two characters do this but one takes it to an annoying extreme.

- My youngest character has some sort of a slight accent but I have trouble remembering how it works. :?


One of my quiet characters (ONLY one of seven) is starving to death, not because he wants too, and I keep forgetting his everything. He was so quiet for so long in so many places for no reason that I slowly forgot so much about him. :cry:

I have 18 other characters (most of them dead) who don't have any notable accent. Might occasionally say ya instead of you but it's just being casual.


All of mine have something 'odd' about them but they are all a small piece o' Dudel soo... :lol: Two or three don't have a real 'speech issue' but still have VERY noticeable things about them. There is also things underneath which anyone who has RPed with any of my characters will know.

joo wrote:All of my characters have subtle differences in the way they speak and what they say... but I never over-emphasise on a speech impediment, which would be taking away from the real RP.


Not really. It depends on how its done and how frequent. Don't mind any odd speech so long as I can tell whats going on. :lol: Its much better then a language gap! :P Which is what you said...

Most notably, there were no serious barriers preventing other characters understanding him, which I think is the issue here.


Idriveayugo wrote:I don't like people who stutter, talk with an accent, or talk in other ways odd in Cantr.

I kill those who do.


Seko already yelled at you for this but still, WTF!? Why would you do that? Thats VERY CRB and not only is it CRB but it RUINS things for the rest of us. I have one character that would find a stuttering character stupid and, as he's already a prick, would fully mess with and eventually try to kill him but I (the player) don't have a problem.
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Postby Idriveayugo » Sat Apr 11, 2009 5:41 pm

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Seko already yelled at you for this but still, WTF!? Why would you do that? Thats VERY CRB and not only is it CRB but it RUINS things for the rest of us. I have one character that would find a stuttering character stupid and, as he's already a prick, would fully mess with and eventually try to kill him but I (the player) don't have a problem.


Due to concerns that people in the cantr community may suffer from heart problems because of my comment, I must reiterate that I stated "well then stay the hell away from one of my characters".

If you wanna continue crying about it, I suggest you don't have a character talk funny, or you will be seeing where the axe slices the meat, if you know what I mean.
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Postby Rebma » Sat Apr 11, 2009 6:18 pm

I actually hope that my stuttering character comes into contact with one of yours. I feel like I have something to prove now. 8)


And dudel, side note...I FRIGGEN HATE THOSE LONG SPEECHES> Well, not hate exactly, but every time Cantr lights up and I see that charri's name, I'm like nooooooooooooooo! Though, they've been getting to where the charri is actually making sense now, so its easier on the eyes :P :twisted:
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Postby Dudel » Sat Apr 11, 2009 6:49 pm

Idriveayugo wrote:
Dudel wrote:
Seko already yelled at you for this but still, WTF!? Why would you do that? Thats VERY CRB and not only is it CRB but it RUINS things for the rest of us. I have one character that would find a stuttering character stupid and, as he's already a prick, would fully mess with and eventually try to kill him but I (the player) don't have a problem.


Due to concerns that people in the cantr community may suffer from heart problems because of my comment, I must reiterate that I stated "well then stay the hell away from one of my characters".

If you wanna continue crying about it, I suggest you don't have a character talk funny, or you will be seeing where the axe slices the meat, if you know what I mean.


I'd LOVE to have someone attack my 'stuttering' character. That guy/gal would be taken care of SO FAST it'd not even be funny. Actually it would be funny as hell! My character would hit him back and so would EVERYONE in town. :lol: You're character would be dead before you had a chance to say, "Don't talk funny!" :lol: He might get lucky and just be locked up. Really, I think you'll be the one seeing a crossbow bolt in your eye and not I with axes slicing meat.

Guess I agree with Reb again. *waits for Satan to complain the heater is broken*

Answer to side note/Off-Topic: Haha! Yeah well, as I am slowly getting better at RPing so does his speech slowly make more sense and seem less scatter brained. His 'speeches' are at least rooted in the 'reality' of the world now. :lol:

Continue On Topic: I REALLY think PD is going to have to look into EVERY character you've EVER killed now yugo. With all that BLATENT CRB you admit too, you shouldn't be allowed to play at all. Thats very SS of you yugo, very SS.
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Postby Idriveayugo » Sat Apr 11, 2009 7:39 pm

Dudel wrote:Continue On Topic: I REALLY think PD is going to have to look into EVERY character you've EVER killed now yugo. With all that BLATENT CRB you admit too, you shouldn't be allowed to play at all. Thats very SS of you yugo, very SS.


I think PD has better things to do.

As for your comment that my character would die in your town, you are assuming my character wouldn't wipe clean your whole town.

It has done it before, isn't that right Chase?
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Postby Marian » Sat Apr 11, 2009 7:52 pm

Dudel wrote:Continue On Topic: I REALLY think PD is going to have to look into EVERY character you've EVER killed now yugo. With all that BLATENT CRB you admit too, you shouldn't be allowed to play at all. Thats very SS of you yugo, very SS.


Wtf, so one of your characters hating a certain type of other character is now a [s]BLATENT[/s] BLATANT ALL CAPS CRB now?

Hell, I want to applaud him, there's not much to go on in Cantr as far as forming unreasonable prejudices goes but I think he's done pretty good with what we have.

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