Religion

[Piscator]

Since the Muslim religion has been around longer, technically they'd have first bids against being able to say God and not "a god" so

Islam is actually about 600 years younger than Christianity.

[Dudel]

Four Options:

1: Any religion take that word (I don't care who!) and the others make up new ones. I don't care who has 'claim' on the word but someone take it and the rest should shut the puck up!

2: Everyone shut the puck up and accept it as all the same stuff just worded different.

3: Cram all of the current 'religions' into one giant mess ball and see what you get... then everyone shuts the puck up and tolerates this new uber conglomerate.

4: Everyone shut the puck up but don't accept and don't merge and don't do anything constructive... but still shut the puck up.

In reality everyone CAN'T worship the same being and still be 'at war' over said beings behavior. Its contradictory and stupid! Everyone needs to shut the puck up about who's whats, whens, whys and hows. Its NOT relevant! *insert Reb and/or Diego with agro about my 'views'*

In addition to the reality of the situation: No one cares! Everyone has their own believes and everyone else is WRONG! Thats human nature for shmit sake! God I hate people!

[*Wiro]

Why would believing the same thing stop them from fighting? Surely there's someone who, of course, believes more than someone else does.

[Rebma]

In addition to the reality of the situation: No one cares! Everyone has their own believes and everyone else is WRONG! Thats human nature for shmit sake! God I hate people!

Uhm...I never have said everyone else is wrong. Maybe because like I said I don't believe, but I don't not believe. And actually contrary to what you've just said, I've met many more people with that sort of view than the one you suggest.



@Pisc. That's what I get for writing something that early in the morning. Maybe I was thinking more Catholicism than Christianity in general. Oh well, live and learn.

[Dudel]

In addition to the reality of the situation: No one cares! Everyone has their own believes and everyone else is WRONG! Thats human nature for shmit sake! God I hate people!

Uhm...I never have said everyone else is wrong. Maybe because like I said I don't believe, but I don't not believe. And actually contrary to what you've just said, I've met many more people with that sort of view than the one you suggest.

I'm sorry but .01% of the world population doesn't count as a significant standard. Please try again

[Rebma]

In addition to the reality of the situation: No one cares! Everyone has their own believes and everyone else is WRONG! Thats human nature for shmit sake! God I hate people!

Uhm...I never have said everyone else is wrong. Maybe because like I said I don't believe, but I don't not believe. And actually contrary to what you've just said, I've met many more people with that sort of view than the one you suggest.

I'm sorry but .01% of the world population doesn't count as a significant standard. Please try again

I'm sorry but why don't you look up your facts and statistics before you go running your mouth. <3 Can't have you looking like an idiot now, can we?

[Andu]

All religions that include a God of some sort or in some cases several Gods, lack evidence and were never meant to have any evidence, as they present it, it is a matter of faith, some are capable of it others are not. On the other hand not being able to beleive,(excluding the atheist who choose to put faith into nothing), is not in any way wrong and above all the one who is most openminded since one in this case does not exclude the possibility of a God but neither does one choose to believe in one, in other words somekind of agnostic. In both other cases the groups lock their opinions and refuse to face or analyze whatever point any of the other parts may put forward.

Anyway correcting a few points you have been throwing forward whithout seemingly knowing what you were talking about. Christianity was formed out of the Jewish religion, and Islam formed out of Christianity. In both cases formed might be the wrong word but the later religions has always aknowledged it predesessors as right and true but lacking a few important points. In other words christianity is some kind of wicked update to the Jewish religion (at least that is what they claim) and the same goes for the Muslim whose beleif is the same kind of update but on christianity.
You might argue against the first part of my text, but I guess in some way you would only be proving my point, on the other hand whatever argument you would post I would have to counter to prove mine.

Anotherpoint I can say that religion always loses to science, as the later is proven (by definition science implies a theoretical model of nature or material behavior that has been proven through extensive amounts of experiments), fortunately for all those with faith in God, the definition of God is one that in itself implies that his existence can neither be proven nor can the opposite, as I already said it is a matter of faith.

My conclusion or rather my beleif is that it doesn't really matter if there is a God or not, I beleive it is more about how you live your life, morals and etics, principles that are good in nature. Then when you die if there is a God it is for him to decide whether he takes me to heaven or whatever, and if this God doesnt exist well at least you played fair and you really have no regrets over what you did and what you did really had a point, instead of wasting it in somekind of ladder to nothing.

Now the only thing left you might comment is, that what if it is not enough to live righteously, and that God wants to hear your never ending same saying repetitive prayers for as long as you live, and unless he does hear them all the time he wont take you to heaven or whatever. Well all I can say is that if it is not enough devoting my life to doing things that are good in nature and righteous, then God would not be righteous to exclude me from heaven, and if God isnt righteous, then that God really isnt worth praying to or worshipping since it would be out of fear. Thus sucking the breath out of that argument.

[Dee]

You don't understand what a Muslim is?

No, I just find it interestesting that someone could be a Muslim and play Cantr... did you inherit your religion from your parents, or actually take it on a conscious choice...? I'm not sure which of those scenarios is more sad...

And why would be any of the scenarios 'sad'?

And what is interesting about a Muslim playing Cantr? Is it a sin I'm not aware of?

Anyway, to answer your question, I 'inherited' my religion, but later on when I grew up, I questioned it, to be totally honest. After that, I read some books on Islam and I used my mind to think, then I felt that I was on the right path and so I believed in Islam all over again.

As Andu said, the Jewish religion was formed first, and then God sent Jesus as a prophet with the Christianity religion. Then came Mohamed, whom also God sent as a prophet and a messenger to spread the word of Islam.

[Rebma]

Well put Andu. Very well put. Gotta respect that.

[Genie]

Many ways exist to reach to God and truth.Telling just one is right and others all wrong is not good.I have Pagan,Christian and Muslim friends and i appreciate many things in Wicca.Why can't we just follow heart?Biggest temple is there.

[DylPickle]

Yeah, the prophet Mohammed died somewhere in the mid-600s CE, can't remember the "exact" year.

Before that, most of the middle east had a sort of blend between Hellenistic systems, Christianity, Judaism, and more native beliefs.


Edit: How did I miss all those posts in between this one and Piscs's at the top of the page? *bangs head against wall*

[Dudel]

Many ways exist to reach to God and truth.Telling just one is right and others all wrong is not good.I have Pagan,Christian and Muslim friends and i appreciate many things in Wicca.Why can't we just follow heart?Biggest temple is there.

Yes, lets all not trample on everyones lawns and shut the puck up.

Officially mad at Dee for rezzing this thread. Seriously, this topic isn't going anywhere, just as it didn't before hand. Why am I even posting? All I'm going to get is noise from people whom claim neutrality and ignorance from others.

What ever just ignore me and move on.

On a side note: I DON'T share Reb's opinion on Andu's post as...

In addition to the reality of the situation: No one cares! Everyone has their own believes and everyone else is WRONG! Thats human nature for shmit sake! God I hate people!

...he only validated my point SEVERAL times. Something Reb seemed so against but whatever. I don't care, interpret how you will what you will. I'm done...

/lock topic

[Rebma]

You realize you don't have the ability to stop a topic right Dudel? Lol. If you don't like it, don't read it.

I find it interesting, and cannot wait personally for the next opinion/thought to be posted, as I thoroughly enjoy reading and learning about what other people think.

(Ps, I think if a topic reaches 100 pages, its gone/going somewhere. Had it stopped at two, then we coul say that . You're silly)

[joo]

And why would be any of the scenarios 'sad'?

And what is interesting about a Muslim playing Cantr? Is it a sin I'm not aware of?

I have nothing against anybody who practices a specific religion, or at least nothing against them just because of that, so I'm not going to state my opinion about Islam, which won't change the way anybody thinks and might only make them angry.

I'm probably just just being stereotypical here, but playing online role-playing games doesn't seem to be the kind of thing that most hardcore Muslims would see as a good use of their time. In fact, it might be close to crossing some boundaries about "playing god" by trying to depict human beings... although since it is only text, I wouldn't say it's in direct contradiction to those rules, however they are always open to interpretation.

Yes, lets all not trample on everyones lawns and shut the puck up.

If you're want to say "fuck" then just say it. Otherwise, shut the "puck" up. I'm pretty sure that people who are offended by the word don't object to the way its spelt, but rather its meaning and the connotation of its use, which in this case, is exactly the same as it usually is.

A rose by any other name smells just as sweet.

[Piscator]

I'm probably just just being stereotypical here, but playing online role-playing games doesn't seem to be the kind of thing that most hardcore Muslims would see as a good use of their time.

Doesn't that apply to hardcore Christians as well? I mean those types which seem to think anything fun must be sin .

Anyway, we do have quite an amount of Turkish players, so Dee is not the only one who doesn't see a conflict between Cantr and Islam.