Drow Language Area

[rklenseth]

Now the reason we are asking for this Pixie is because there is actual support for it. I mean if there was a large group of people supporting a different fantasy language what would be so bad about adding it?

yes it would be just as bad to add ANY fantasy Language. Its not just what was said about so much work for the PD its not REAL. Cantr is based off an idea of how REAL society could be.

Lets take a for instance. Drow gets implemented, people now want Klingon (im not attached to that language, its just an example) Well, we have cars and limo's and minivans in Cantr... Why don't we have lasers and vaporizers and energizer beams in the Klingon lands? I dont read enough forgotten Realms to be able to make examples from there, but I have read a few. The drow world is dark and dangerous and not at all nice. WHY would we want a Drow based Cantr world?????

You want a new place with a new language, I LIKE the Latin Idea, many languages are based off it, so lots more people could play on it. and brush up their skills on a "dead" language that is to good to be allowed to die.


PsPi

First of all Jos said he would create at one time areas that would use fantasy languages.

And this has nothing to do with the PD (are you talking about player or programming department)?

And if Cantr is based off an idea as to how real society should be then we should be able to create new languages and a lot of fantasy languages are very much low forms and unplowed so those languages could develop with the Cantr societies. We could implement the Drow structure and 200 days from now it could be something totally different.

[rklenseth]

Now the reason we are asking for this Pixie is because there is actual support for it. I mean if there was a large group of people supporting a different fantasy language what would be so bad about adding it?

Actually as I think it over, I see where she's going and I disagree with it being an entirely different language. Its more work for the staff people, translating it all, then the PD keeping track in other langauges, and as well the server for all languages is the same.

And plus, this is a fantasy language, not even a real one that exists.

Once more falsehoods. Someone would most likely be made to translate the site. Most likely Trage since he is so very interested in it. It wouldn't create more work for the staff. I believe there are very few people in the Player's Department that can speak every current language we have. And I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to track them.

Why does it matter for the server? You are still only allowed 15 characters so it wouldn't effect the server at all. It won't effect the server.

[nitefyre]

Now the reason we are asking for this Pixie is because there is actual support for it. I mean if there was a large group of people supporting a different fantasy language what would be so bad about adding it?

Actually as I think it over, I see where she's going and I disagree with it being an entirely different language. Its more work for the staff people, translating it all, then the PD keeping track in other langauges, and as well the server for all languages is the same.

And plus, this is a fantasy language, not even a real one that exists.

Once more falsehoods. Someone would most likely be made to translate the site. Most likely Trage since he is so very interested in it. It wouldn't create more work for the staff. I believe there are very few people in the Player's Department that can speak every current language we have. And I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to track them.

Why does it matter for the server? You are still only allowed 15 characters so it wouldn't effect the server at all. It won't effect the server.

It'd feel uncantr-ish for them to put on a dark elf feel - as PsiPix was saying. Anyways Drow doesn't even have enough vocabulary to suit all the normal cantr actions and vocabulary, its too illegitament and all people are gonna do is use a translator.

[Psycho Pixie]

Once more falsehoods. Someone would most likely be made to translate the site. Most likely Trage since he is so very interested in it. It wouldn't create more work for the staff. I believe there are very few people in the Player's Department that can speak every current language we have. And I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to track them.

Why does it matter for the server? You are still only allowed 15 characters so it wouldn't effect the server at all. It won't effect the server.

and where do we get someone to translate Drow? the people that run the game have a hard enough time keeping up with our demanding selves already.

[rklenseth]

Now the reason we are asking for this Pixie is because there is actual support for it. I mean if there was a large group of people supporting a different fantasy language what would be so bad about adding it?

Actually as I think it over, I see where she's going and I disagree with it being an entirely different language. Its more work for the staff people, translating it all, then the PD keeping track in other langauges, and as well the server for all languages is the same.

And plus, this is a fantasy language, not even a real one that exists.

Once more falsehoods. Someone would most likely be made to translate the site. Most likely Trage since he is so very interested in it. It wouldn't create more work for the staff. I believe there are very few people in the Player's Department that can speak every current language we have. And I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to track them.

Why does it matter for the server? You are still only allowed 15 characters so it wouldn't effect the server at all. It won't effect the server.

It'd feel uncantr-ish for them to put on a dark elf feel - as PsiPix was saying. Anyways Drow doesn't even have enough vocabulary to suit all the normal cantr actions and vocabulary, its too illegitament and all people are gonna do is use a translator.

That is why the Cantr society that inherits Drow as a language creates the words. There is so many more options with an underdeveloped language that you don't even see.

I don't see the illegitamacy. If you have me playing then you won't have to worry. And it is pretty obvious when you cheat so I'm not to worried. People will use the translator as a method of sentence structuring but over time people will and can change things.

[Bran-Muffin]

Aye im just going to say one thing and one things only. I am with pixie on this subject.. and you know how i like to make fun of her normally, anyway yeah im with the pixie chick.

[rklenseth]

Once more falsehoods. Someone would most likely be made to translate the site. Most likely Trage since he is so very interested in it. It wouldn't create more work for the staff. I believe there are very few people in the Player's Department that can speak every current language we have. And I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to track them.

Why does it matter for the server? You are still only allowed 15 characters so it wouldn't effect the server at all. It won't effect the server.

and where do we get someone to translate Drow? the people that run the game have a hard enough time keeping up with our demanding selves already.

Like I said Jos would hire someone to translate the Drow onto staff. If you notice that there is a staff section for people who translate the languages. Trage would be a good candinate for doing so.

And furthermore, we don't have a hard time running the game. And adding a new language isn't that hard...all it takes is to find a stretch of empty land, create the spawn points, and let them go at it. And we have a lot of empty land...Very little programming involved and most of the work is by New Lands.

[west]

Well first, Kingon was a JOKE. I don't want Kingon in Cantr >.> Lol - Save that for Star Trek.

But the point of Drow is just another language in the game.

Sure, it's a make believe language made by people in a basement one day. But English was made like that too. It just became a REAL language. There's no difference between English, French, Drow, and German for examples - they're all languages. The only two differences are 1) They both have different words (Obviously) and 2) They're real, and Drow is not.

If Drow were a real language used in real life, then I'm sure you'd have a different opinion.

In any case, isn't Cantr a society simulator? Don't different societys use different languages? Some society JUST MIGHT talk Drow

if you want to have drow, you cannot say Klingon can't be allowed, both are fantasy languages. you can't have it both ways, if Cantr Allowed Drow, then someone else would want Klingon, then someone else would want Tolkiens Elvish. then someone else would want Cheysuli... I can keep going. Keep the game based on real languages, not fantasy ones, encourage people to learn more real world languages rather then more fantasy world languages... you get my meaning?

PsPi

I wasn't saying Kingon can't be allowed. I'm saying it was a joke and I didn't mean it.

True, Drow is more of a secret language. I see the point.

Another point, Tolkeins Elvish wasn't make believe. It's actually olde Runic English from the B.C. era. It uses the Runic Alphabet that you can find anywhere; Ultima is one example. But that's not the point >.>

It doesn't matter to me if Drow gets added, it was just an idea

Tolkein's Dwarvish script is similar to ancient runes.

His Sindarin is grammatically similar to old Welsh, and his Quenya is grammatically similar to ancient Finnish, but that's about the extent of it.

[trage]

If you are talking about the Players Department when you say PD there would be little more work for them to be done because if there is a CR breach in the Drow languaga area it would just be the same as a CR breach anywhere else. If they hadn't created those characters in the Drow group they could have created them in some other place and just happened to spawn with their other characters, and if you are talking about the Programming Department. As Rkl said there is very little programming in it. All they really have to do is add a new area such as they do with any other language group and create a spawnpoint which would go to the new lands department. Which if I am not mistaken consists of Rkl and Jos.

[nitefyre]

If you are talking about the Players Department when you say PD there would be little more work for them to be done because if there is a CR breach in the Drow languaga area it would just be the same as a CR breach anywhere else. If they hadn't created those characters in the Drow group they could have created them in some other place and just happened to spawn with their other characters, and if you are talking about the Programming Department. As Rkl said there is very little programming in it. All they really have to do is add a new area such as they do with any other language group and create a spawnpoint which would go to the new lands department. Which if I am not mistaken consists of Rkl and Jos.

Well there's still 3 people firmly against it so I don't think your persuading articulately. Drow is not even a real language, and I doubt many if any persons on this board are actually fluent in this made up language as once decreed necessary, "also, that it is required that you can read/write somewhat fluently in this language before you start playing such a character." Is it considered Fluent when you need a translator?

[rklenseth]

This is a different situation. Since the language is underdeveloped then it would be impossible to be fluent in Drow. But if you are going to use that argument then I would like you to know that we can't use Latin since the last person to be fluent in Latin died a long time ago.

The reason why I like Drow is because it provides a structure of language and some simple words that can used in Cantr to create a language toward a society.

And Drow is definitely a language. I don't know where you are getting off on that it isn't because it is.

And why are you guys so defensive about it? If you don't want to play in Drow then don't...

[griogal]

speaking of made up languages....Esperanto.

Still have to find any Native Esperanto speakers IRL.

[Junesun]

speaking of made up languages....Esperanto.

Still have to find any Native Esperanto speakers IRL.

There are some, children of fanatic Esperanto speakers. I speak Esperanto fluently myself, but I don't think there should be any native Esperanto speakers. Esperanto was planned to be everybody's SECOND language, an auxiliary language, never meant to replace native languages. That way, it can claim to be completely neutral, representing no country or ideology, and fair, since everybody's skill at it is only determined by their efforts, not by whether they're native, bilingual or not.

Since native languages are learned effortlessly, I also think it's a waste to make somebody a native speaker of Esperanto, since Esperanto is probably the easiest language to learn. I'd rather be a native speaker of Russian, French or some obscure language, because it's easier to know those and learn Esperanto than to know Esperanto and try to learn those

Judith

[Revanael]

Esperanto does seem quite similar to spanish and italian though, in some ways. But I agree, its pointless learning it as your first language.

As for a Drow area, it would be interesting to learn the language. Hey, it might be fun as well to have an area in which the people actually make up the language they speak as they speak it and as they live... Bit more complicated though.

[Junesun]

Esperanto does seem quite similar to spanish and italian though, in some ways. But I agree, its pointless learning it as your first language.

Oh definitely! Esperanto's vocabulary is based on Romance languages to more than 50%. The rest is based on Germanic languages and a little bit of Slavic languages.

Judith