Drow Language Area

[trage]

Yes it is like Latin. People USE to talk Latin, but now don't. It is a dead language, but it is still a language isn't it. It's just like Drow except people still talk in it, but they are all nerds who have no life . (Yes I know I talk it.)

[west]

Well first, Kingon was a JOKE. I don't want Kingon in Cantr >.> Lol - Save that for Star Trek.

But the point of Drow is just another language in the game.

Sure, it's a make believe language made by people in a basement one day. But English was made like that too. It just became a REAL language. There's no difference between English, French, Drow, and German for examples - they're all languages. The only two differences are 1) They both have different words (Obviously) and 2) They're real, and Drow is not.

If Drow were a real language used in real life, then I'm sure you'd have a different opinion.

In any case, isn't Cantr a society simulator? Don't different societys use different languages? Some society JUST MIGHT talk Drow

Natch. Drow isn't a real language. Real languages evolve over centuries, based on the experiences of the group that speaks them, what they encounter in their lives, other groups they meet, etc. Witness the simliarity between Dutch, low German, and middle English. They all came from the same stock but branched out based on the experiences of the different groups--English has Romance words in it because of the French, for example.

Second, as far as I can see, Drow just takes the structure of English and replaces the individual words. There's no recognizable etymology.

Even Quenya, in the sense that it has a 'history' in which words evolved and differentiated and interrelate, and a seperate grammatical structure --posessives go at the end of words, for example: Nossémma, 'belonging-to-the-Nossé' or 'our Nossé', is more a real language than Drow is.

Tolkien was a linguist, after all.

Drow is more akin to a secret code than a language.

[Psycho Pixie]

Well first, Kingon was a JOKE. I don't want Kingon in Cantr >.> Lol - Save that for Star Trek.

But the point of Drow is just another language in the game.

Sure, it's a make believe language made by people in a basement one day. But English was made like that too. It just became a REAL language. There's no difference between English, French, Drow, and German for examples - they're all languages. The only two differences are 1) They both have different words (Obviously) and 2) They're real, and Drow is not.

If Drow were a real language used in real life, then I'm sure you'd have a different opinion.

In any case, isn't Cantr a society simulator? Don't different societys use different languages? Some society JUST MIGHT talk Drow

if you want to have drow, you cannot say Klingon can't be allowed, both are fantasy languages. you can't have it both ways, if Cantr Allowed Drow, then someone else would want Klingon, then someone else would want Tolkiens Elvish. then someone else would want Cheysuli... I can keep going. Keep the game based on real languages, not fantasy ones, encourage people to learn more real world languages rather then more fantasy world languages... you get my meaning?

PsPi

[Anthony Roberts]

Well first, Kingon was a JOKE. I don't want Kingon in Cantr >.> Lol - Save that for Star Trek.

But the point of Drow is just another language in the game.

Sure, it's a make believe language made by people in a basement one day. But English was made like that too. It just became a REAL language. There's no difference between English, French, Drow, and German for examples - they're all languages. The only two differences are 1) They both have different words (Obviously) and 2) They're real, and Drow is not.

If Drow were a real language used in real life, then I'm sure you'd have a different opinion.

In any case, isn't Cantr a society simulator? Don't different societys use different languages? Some society JUST MIGHT talk Drow

if you want to have drow, you cannot say Klingon can't be allowed, both are fantasy languages. you can't have it both ways, if Cantr Allowed Drow, then someone else would want Klingon, then someone else would want Tolkiens Elvish. then someone else would want Cheysuli... I can keep going. Keep the game based on real languages, not fantasy ones, encourage people to learn more real world languages rather then more fantasy world languages... you get my meaning?

PsPi

I wasn't saying Kingon can't be allowed. I'm saying it was a joke and I didn't mean it.

True, Drow is more of a secret language. I see the point.

Another point, Tolkeins Elvish wasn't make believe. It's actually olde Runic English from the B.C. era. It uses the Runic Alphabet that you can find anywhere; Ultima is one example. But that's not the point >.>

It doesn't matter to me if Drow gets added, it was just an idea

[Psycho Pixie]

I wasn't saying Kingon can't be allowed. I'm saying it was a joke and I didn't mean it.

True, Drow is more of a secret language. I see the point.

Another point, Tolkeins Elvish wasn't make believe. It's actually olde Runic English from the B.C. era. It uses the Runic Alphabet that you can find anywhere; Ultima is one example. But that's not the point >.>

It doesn't matter to me if Drow gets added, it was just an idea

oh oh! debate!!! fun time!

Actually if you watch the extra DVD in the main set, the first movie i think with the fifth dvd and national geographic? they go into detail about how he came up with the Elvish language. and yes, it is based on a real language. the writing is what you say... sortof. but the actually speaking is from a dieing language someplace in europe... they said some town by a lake is the only place you hear the dialect anymore and its related to dutch? i could be wrong, can someone elaborate please?

BUT that wasnt to point. its still a fantasy language and best left on the non-cantr related forum.

PsPi

[Revanael]

Maybe someone should make an area where everybody speaks Middle English? Now that is a bit disorienting. Went to a lecture on it once, no idea why...

And that is a real language!

[Anthony Roberts]

Still based off a real language! And even then, the Runic English came from Europe anyway... who spoke English at the time? Uhhh, the Romans - We North Americans and Australians and such didn't exactly exist until the Britians colonized, and by then we had a differnet alphaset.

[trage]

Now the reason we are asking for this Pixie is because there is actual support for it. I mean if there was a large group of people supporting a different fantasy language what would be so bad about adding it?

[nitefyre]

Now the reason we are asking for this Pixie is because there is actual support for it. I mean if there was a large group of people supporting a different fantasy language what would be so bad about adding it?

Actually as I think it over, I see where she's going and I disagree with it being an entirely different language. Its more work for the staff people, translating it all, then the PD keeping track in other langauges, and as well the server for all languages is the same.

And plus, this is a fantasy language, not even a real one that exists.

[Revanael]

If a Drow area was implemented, I have to say I would probably try to create a character there. Just for the experience of it.

[Psycho Pixie]

Now the reason we are asking for this Pixie is because there is actual support for it. I mean if there was a large group of people supporting a different fantasy language what would be so bad about adding it?

yes it would be just as bad to add ANY fantasy Language. Its not just what was said about so much work for the PD its not REAL. Cantr is based off an idea of how REAL society could be.

Lets take a for instance. Drow gets implemented, people now want Klingon (im not attached to that language, its just an example) Well, we have cars and limo's and minivans in Cantr... Why don't we have lasers and vaporizers and energizer beams in the Klingon lands? I dont read enough forgotten Realms to be able to make examples from there, but I have read a few. The drow world is dark and dangerous and not at all nice. WHY would we want a Drow based Cantr world?????

You want a new place with a new language, I LIKE the Latin Idea, many languages are based off it, so lots more people could play on it. and brush up their skills on a "dead" language that is to good to be allowed to die.


PsPi

[trage]

There was no Latin idea......

[Psycho Pixie]

There was no Latin idea......

uh, well someone mentioned Latin and i like that idea so

[trage]

Well first off Latin isn't exactly a language you converse with, and second off. I was the one who mentioned it. I was using it in an analogy.

[rklenseth]

Well first, Kingon was a JOKE. I don't want Kingon in Cantr >.> Lol - Save that for Star Trek.

But the point of Drow is just another language in the game.

Sure, it's a make believe language made by people in a basement one day. But English was made like that too. It just became a REAL language. There's no difference between English, French, Drow, and German for examples - they're all languages. The only two differences are 1) They both have different words (Obviously) and 2) They're real, and Drow is not.

If Drow were a real language used in real life, then I'm sure you'd have a different opinion.

In any case, isn't Cantr a society simulator? Don't different societys use different languages? Some society JUST MIGHT talk Drow

Natch. Drow isn't a real language. Real languages evolve over centuries, based on the experiences of the group that speaks them, what they encounter in their lives, other groups they meet, etc. Witness the simliarity between Dutch, low German, and middle English. They all came from the same stock but branched out based on the experiences of the different groups--English has Romance words in it because of the French, for example.

Second, as far as I can see, Drow just takes the structure of English and replaces the individual words. There's no recognizable etymology.

Even Quenya, in the sense that it has a 'history' in which words evolved and differentiated and interrelate, and a seperate grammatical structure --posessives go at the end of words, for example: Nossémma, 'belonging-to-the-Nossé' or 'our Nossé', is more a real language than Drow is.

Tolkien was a linguist, after all.

Drow is more akin to a secret code than a language.

It give us a structure of language that we can evolve in Cantr with the Cantr societies. Right now you have pretty primitive societies speaking pretty advanced forms of English, Dutch, French, etc...

With Drow we can actually develop a lot of the language to with the society and I myself think that would be really cool.