The Religion Debate Thread

[Meh]

Yes our spirits and souls are immortal, but humans were not intended to live for 40, 50 or 60 years. If you date back people use to live hundreds of years. Supposedly Methusala (sp?) lived to be 934 (age?), but after the great flood people started to die at younger ages. I think god did that because he didn't want people to become as corrupt as they did before because of their longer lives, but we, as humans, have some how managed to corrupt ourselves at faster pastes than ever before .

And when I said he created it from nothing I am talking about how he made a great big black ball than created life on it.

If you you interpet lunar months as years they lived to be normal ages. Also they may have been counting something completly different.

[Meh]

About the Great Flood>>

If god created everything man must have lived side by side with the dinosaurs. Do you have any arguments to why none of the dinosaurs made it on to the ship?

Troublemaker...

There were six "days" of creation. The six "days" were also referred to as the "day" of creation. Day = Era

This last few weeks has been the "Day of Dourden".

[Pirog]

trage>

Because the ship would have to be enourmous, and plus the fact that if he did take them on he couldn't exactly keep them in one place like he did with the other carnivoures (sp?). That and the ship would sink......

Hehe, come on now...the idea of fitting all now existing animals on a ship is crazy enough (especially if you think about the huge amounts of food etc they would have to need in order to survive), but you are using logics about the size of the ship and it's ability to float to explain why the dinosaurs didn't make it?
Please don't be offended, but can't you agree that it is a bit funny?

Meh>>

Troublemaker...

There were six "days" of creation. The six "days" were also referred to as the "day" of creation. Day = Era

So you are saying that the dinosaurs died out of natural (or un-natural) causes before god made humans and other more "modern" animals?

How long would these eras have been?

[Meh]

In scientific terms we are in the "era of matter" which has gone on for over 12 billion years. Presently you are in the "era of this post" which will last a minute maybe two. This is the "day of this post".

As far as the size of the boat. Signs point to a regional flood. Preserving the unique animals in a region is miracle enough. And without traveling to the whole world how would someone know that a regional flood was not a worldwide one. It is not like the BBC was around out the time.

Like I said before the bible is not a FAQ or a prefectly accurate history book.

Besides the whole thing of looking for proof is a non-winnable situation. Proof denies faith. The whole thing is about having faith not proof. And it has none to do with religion. Religion and routine makes people feel stable but it is nothing to do with faith. And blind faith is not any better than religion. To assume that everything has to be literal just as it is written is to deny the fallacy of the human writers elevating them to prefection. CNN can't get a story straight with a billion dollar budget. What chance does a shepard have?

*thinks of zebra crossings for some reason*

[Lone Wolf]

Faith
n.


1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.

2. [color=red]Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. See Synonyms at belief. See Synonyms at trust[/color]

3. Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance: keeping faith with one's supporters.
often Faith Christianity. The theological virtue defined as secure belief in

4. God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.

5. The body of dogma of a religion: the Muslim faith.

6.A set of principles or beliefs.

[Lone Wolf]

Faith
n.


1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.

2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. See Synonyms at belief. See Synonyms at trust

3. Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance: keeping faith with one's supporters.
often Faith Christianity. The theological virtue defined as secure belief in

4. God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.

5. The body of dogma of a religion: the Muslim faith.

6.A set of principles or beliefs.


(sorry for the double posts....My pc is screwing up big time today

[Pirog]

Besides the whole thing of looking for proof is a non-winnable situation. Proof denies faith. The whole thing is about having faith not proof. And it has none to do with religion.

But that argument was likely made up by the religious institutions, so that they wouldn't have to answer uncomfortable questions.

From what you have written I take it that you don't believe in all the myths of the bible?

CNN can't get a story straight with a billion dollar budget. What chance does a shepard have?

But only a complete retard would trust media blindly

[Pirog]

I guess I simply can't understand how you can have such blind faith in something that has such a big impact on your life.

It was a pity that noone felt like responding to my argument about the risk of you guys preaching to Satan...it would have been interesting.
(yes, this is a way to force an answer )

[rklenseth]

I guess I simply can't understand how you can have such blind faith in something that has such a big impact on your life.

It was a pity that noone felt like responding to my argument about the risk of you guys preaching to Satan...it would have been interesting.
(yes, this is a way to force an answer )

I don't remember that and I can't find it so could you quote yourself?

[creepyguyinblack]

I used to be in a satanic church! The Church of Baphomet. I also have a pentagram tattoo on my right arm from a drunk bum I met one night of street drinking a few years ago.

[Meh]

I said blind faith was not a good thing. Beliving in things that are proven to be untrue is silly. Having faith that there is something else is something you feel. Feeling is not knowing. Faith is feeling. Proof is knowing.

Pirog, you have faith that communism would work. You have no proof yet you cling to that faith.

Faith is not something religions made up. It is a word. Trying to prove faith is an oxymoron. It is not an excuse.

And as far as the not beliving in myths. I do not belive in the interpetation of others of what is written. It the scheme of things it does not matter how exactly things transpired. The important thing is the lesson not the material of the lesson.

[Pirog]

Lenseth>>

Since you obviously believe in supernatural forces there is a chance that Satan defeated god and that you know serve him. It would be a small matter for Satan to make you all believe you were worshiping god instead of him...how do you feel about that argument?
(I'm not trying to provoke you or joke with your religion, it is meant as a serious question.)

It could be put better, but the point I'm trying to put thru is that you can't be sure if the power you are worshiping is good...aren't you afraid that god might be twisted an manipulative?

Meh>>

I said blind faith was not a good thing. Beliving in things that are proven to be untrue is silly. Having faith that there is something else is something you feel. Feeling is not knowing. Faith is feeling. Proof is knowing.

Well, that is a sound view.

Pirog, you have faith that communism would work. You have no proof yet you cling to that faith.

Well...I really don't have faith in communism
I just think that it is wrong not to give new ideas a good chance, since the current system is obviously failing badly...or rather, I have faith in that communism COULD word, but not that it will.

[grayjaket]

Ok, the thing about the dinosaurs...what?! What kind onf question is that....how do you know he DIDN'T have them on the ark and they just died later? It's extremely possible...besides, if you READ the Bible, you will see that it took hundreds of years to build the ark...that's a big ark...

Hehe, come on now...the idea of fitting all now existing animals on a ship is crazy enough (especially if you think about the huge amounts of food etc they would have to need in order to survive), but you are using logics about the size of the ship and it's ability to float to explain why the dinosaurs didn't make it?

And believing an explosion made all matter and life as we know it isn't crazy?

Faith is what you say it is. Believing without seeing or evidence. That means that atheists and evolutionists have the most faith of anyone. I find it more logical that a Supreme Being designed and created the complex world and universe we know today. You believe that an explosion did it. Now THAT is believing without facts. I don't know what world you live in, but in my world big bangs don't make worlds. And explosion don't explode, then somehow come together to make planets either. No where on earth is matter being created, or in this universe for that matter. Quite the opposite actually. Don't start talking about how silly we are for believing something that's impossible and hasn't been proven by science....remember, you beliefs have been totally proven either :-p

[rklenseth]

Lenseth>>

Quote:
Since you obviously believe in supernatural forces there is a chance that Satan defeated god and that you know serve him. It would be a small matter for Satan to make you all believe you were worshiping god instead of him...how do you feel about that argument?
(I'm not trying to provoke you or joke with your religion, it is meant as a serious question.)


It could be put better, but the point I'm trying to put thru is that you can't be sure if the power you are worshiping is good...aren't you afraid that god might be twisted an manipulative?

Well, if Satan did defeat God and has been acting as God for this long then he has tricked an awfully lot of people. And that would also make Jesus Christ is the Anti-Christ and so on and so on.

I wouldn't put it past Satan to try to trick people into believing that he is God and maybe he has. But I don't think my current God is Satan.

And I don't serve God. I consider God more like a friend or even family. I think that is the difference between God and Satan. Satan wants you to serve him and become his slave while God wants you love him and be your own person. God might try to tell me this is the best way to go but in the end he lets me choose the path.

[kroner]

I'd just like to interject again in order to point out that this little arguement going on is pointless semantics. It doesn't matter how you interpret god and each one of you might be right. really most of them are possibly the truth although with varying degree of probability. Of course chances are all of you are wrong so why bother getting all worked up about the specifics?