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Postby SekoETC » Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:05 pm

Sekar wrote: healthy person does not just commit suicide because a group of people walking by didn't take notice of them.


But how long can a person remain healthy if they are not noticed? A man is a social animal, without social interaction they will die. The problem is that there are people who only take and do not give. In fact I have a theory that everyone is selfish and they only give to others so that they could get something in return - respect, security, pleasure.

Cdls, I'm sure Missy's characters have been around there to ask what's wrong but once they have been around for 60, 70+ years, it's understandable one gets exhausted by all the drama.
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Postby Dogonabun » Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:15 pm

I also think that, Seko. It's a thought that's been depressing me for a while, but I think it's true.
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Postby Sekar » Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:33 am

Seko, that question is rediculous. I agree with your theory about everyone being selfish. I totally agree with it. Even the most generous people are selfish. But that doesn't mean anything. It doesn't have anything to do with the people who commit suicide. Although it isn't in human nature to notice everyone, everyone can get noticed if they want too. Either way, this is has nothing to do with this discussion. It is irrelevent. If you wish to discuss it further, please message me privately.
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Postby SekoETC » Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:57 am

But in games there will always be more people dying too young because people have their real lives and the game is just a past time. Many people don't feel content playing an ordinary Joe, they want a town leader or a pirate or a village idiot, something they cannot be in real life. That's why Cantr has so many unusual characters. And the rp, even when describing normal life like swimming is emphasized because the characters see EVERYTHING written there, they cannot block out events unless the player is good at skim reading.

Also there is no physical pain aspect in Cantr, there's only what you rp, so suicide is technically easier. You can just chop yourself with a sword or heck, a crossbow - now how the heck does one shoot oneself with a bow? I've cut myself in real life and I can say that your hands start shaking and get very sweaty. It takes very much effort to hurt yourself, either your mind and/or body must be numb or you must be hurting mentally so bad that you would rather make it physical or some other mental disturbance. In Cantr it's just a click on a button. You can select any value between 0% and 100% and if you don't miss then that's what you're gonna get. There's no such thing as your hand shaking so much that you only manage a little scratch. And also if a person would throw themselves on their sword, they likely would bleed to death eventually and they certainly would not have the stamina to remove themselves from the sword and impale themselves a second time or maybe even four or five times. So the system is flawed. But this is just about the technicalities. Maybe I'm drifting.
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Postby Cdls » Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:57 am

I am quite aware it is a continuation of a discussion that was going on elsewhere. Don't be a smartass.


Actually it is a part of the discussion, don't be a dumbass.

Cdls, a healthy person does not just commit suicide because a group of people walking by didn't take notice of them. Also, most people who commit suicide are in fact very difficult to notice, and do not make themselves well known. They are not looking for attention.



Sekar, a healthy person doesn't commit suicide at all. Sure there are the ones that hide it, but they are the ones who have given up hope. Then there are the ones who don't hide it, yet aren't open about it either.

We have been talking about annoying characters. In real life, no one, and I mean no one, acts the way some of these characters do. Now is Cantr real life? No, but that doesn't mean we shoud allow such annoying characters to harass everybody. The amount of characters in Cantr who are flawed in some major way, is far higher then it should be. Cantr is a society simulator, so we should try to make it as realistic as possible.



Oh, and Sekar, how many fights have you been in where you could only hit the person once a day? Ever eat an onion to get over a broken bone or something? Im guessing not. Cantr pretends to be a society simulator but until the game mechanics are worked to make that a reality, it isn't one. Of course people dont act the way some of these chars do in RL, and do you know why? Ill tell you....this is a GAME. Or, lets take your "this is a society simulator" argument and say, maybe they are simulating the effects of an extremely annoying personality to see the outcome of such behavior.
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Postby Dogonabun » Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:02 am

Cdls wrote:maybe they are simulating the effects of an extremely annoying personality to see the outcome of such behavior.

Simulating an annoying personality in a world full of people with annoying personalities isn't really simulating =/
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Postby Voltenion » Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:16 am

guys, stop simulating a stupid debate.... HA! errr.... Please ignore this.


Cdls wrote: Sekar, a healthy person doesn't commit suicide at all. Sure there are the ones that hide it, but they are the ones who have given up hope. Then there are the ones who don't hide it, yet aren't open about it either.


In fact, healthy people do suicide or end up in drugs and things like that many times. They are so rich that they don't know what to do, and are normally with no one to share their richness... Instead of giving it for the poor and bla bla they just trash it in more stupidness, drugs, prostitues... And I've knowned about many famous people and healthy who suicided... In fact, poor people have chalenges. It's normally the boredom that makes people even think about suiciding... I think that's why the countrys where Life expectation is higher is where there are more suicides.
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Postby SekoETC » Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:20 am

They are not mentally healthy.
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Postby Cdls » Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:21 am

guys, stop simulating a stupid debate.... HA! errr.... Please ignore this.


:lol:


Voltenion, I understand where you are coming from on that point, but do you consider those types of people "healthy"? I dont, but that is just my opinion.

Simulating an annoying personality in a world full of people with annoying personalities isn't really simulating =/


Yes, but consider this:
Maybe the person simulating the "annoying personality" doesnt see that the other "annoying personalities" are actually annoying?
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Postby Dogonabun » Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:27 am

Cdls wrote:Maybe the person simulating the "annoying personality" doesnt see that the other "annoying personalities" are actually annoying?

Someone who doesn't see that would be very annoying. Hence, they're not simulating, they're being.
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Postby Cdls » Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:39 am

Dogonabun wrote:
Cdls wrote:Maybe the person simulating the "annoying personality" doesnt see that the other "annoying personalities" are actually annoying?

Someone who doesn't see that would be very annoying. Hence, they're not simulating, they're being.



But in their opinion they may be "simulating" and that is actually the problem with this whole discussion and why I am viewing it sarcastically. I myself have a char that annoys even me. I seriously log in and hope to see the following appear

*Your character ******* has died*


I dont let it die off cause I think it would just be wrong, for various reasons I wont get in to. I have another char who recently causes a sh$$load of probs but he did it for his own reasons.
My point is, when my chars are annoying, its for a reason. They dont go overboard, well maybe once, but maybe some players dont really get how annoying their chars are?
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Postby Sekar » Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:40 am

Wow, Cdls I'm so impressed! You have an answer to every criticism! You know what, there is no point arguing with someone who doesn't take the argument 'seriously'. I'm done participating in this thread, I don't feel that it is going to prompt anyone to do anything. I would rather go to the suggestion thread once I come up with a way that could actually eliminate annoying, repetitive players. That is, if I ever think of one.
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Postby Dogonabun » Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:43 am

Sekar wrote:Wow, Cdls I'm so impressed! You have an answer to every criticism! You know what, there is no point arguing with someone who doesn't take the argument 'seriously'. I'm done participating in this thread, I don't feel that it is going to prompt anyone to do anything. I would rather go to the suggestion thread once I come up with a way that could actually eliminate annoying, repetitive players. That is, if I ever think of one.

Well, with the declining Cantr population, it's not really to great to eliminate players- but I do agree that they should be taught to stop being so stupid.
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Postby Voltenion » Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:48 am

Cdls wrote:Voltenion, I understand where you are coming from on that point, but do you consider those types of people "healthy"? I dont, but that is just my opinion.

Ah....well....Hmm, you won.*walks away kicking rocks while he does so* I suck at debates.

Cdls wrote:
*Your character ******* has died*


I always want to see that too... Maybe we could have our charries try to kill eachother? *grins*
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Postby Cdls » Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:59 am

Wow, Cdls I'm so impressed! You have an answer to every criticism! You know what, there is no point arguing with someone who doesn't take the argument 'seriously'.



Wow Sekar, you must impress easily :lol:

Yes, I have an answer to every criticism, that is the idea of an argument/debate, right?

And no, I dont take it seriously because there is no point. Its not going to change anything, the game isnt going to miraculously change into what we all want it to be (not that it is bad now) nor are the annoying chars going to suddenly just stop.



Ah....well....Hmm, you won.*walks away kicking rocks while he does so* I suck at debates.


No you dont, you should just try them more. I love debates, even when I am arguing a side I dont even believe in.

I always want to see that too... Maybe we could have our charries try to kill eachother? *grins*


Maybe, but you dont know my char, and mine doesnt know yours. *sighs*<---SARCASM :)

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