Statue made in honor US Soldiers

[Bran-Muffin]

Just to point our meh i never said that, that was hunters question... i was just offering an answer to who built the statue.

[The Hunter]

Lol... And all I asked wa... "why not a monument for the victims"?...

[new.vogue.nightmare]

that articles of yours is proper bullshit. I do not see how someone that gets bombed and shot by a foreingn country's army could find it good.
You don't have necessarly to believe something just because is written on a newspaper.

Is anyone that voted no still alive? Hard to believe.

"come on iraquis!! vote for our poll!! If you get the right answer you win a loaf of bread!!!!"

First off. It is true that war is a bad thing. But sometimes it is necessary because the alternative is worse, ie, massacre.

Anyone voting no still alive...hm, actually, that's what would happen under Saddam's regime. He's the one who killed all dissenters. If American media was ruled by the Ba'ath party, then maybe that statement you made would almost make sense.

I kind of hope that America decides to never interfere like that again. Then I can take over a third-world country while the developed nations stand idly by. Killing helpless civilians for no reason is fun. Throwing them into wood chippers, testing out blistering chemical weapons, raping women and slaughtering children, that kind of stuff. Then again, if someone does try to take me out, I'll hide behind my own civilians. Then the liberating soldiers will have to choose between letting me kill off thousands, or sacrifice the few hundred I hide behind. Tough decision, but I know they'll choose to kill the smaller number themselves. All I have to do is get it on the news and make sure my own atrocities are covered up. And don't you dare call me a monster for thinking like this--after all, so many of you are against intervening in Iraq, and that was the same damn thing.

So please, don't intervene. You're not guilty if you're just letting somebody else do the killing.

(Yes, that also applies to the Washington bereaucrats, many of whom escaped military service and sent others to die in their place)

[The Hunter]

UR posting a lot of crap... In those cases there should be an intervention...

But then... Half of Africa is in such a situation... Well... MR Bush... Where R UR troops? Ah, I forgot... No oil in those countries.. Not worth it, I understand...

Did I mention that the US hasn't paid their due's to the UN for 8 years now, so not even the UN can intervene?

(BTW: NVM... I alway's thought U were that kind of person... I guess I was right all along...)

Just don't bother trying to justify the invasion... You might convince me... It's just that there's 4.000.000.000 more ppl to convince... Isnt the majority alway's right?

[rklenseth]

So you are speaking for 4 billion people?

[Meh]

The majority is never correct. They are only polled for entertainment value and to adjust their training plans.

[new.vogue.nightmare]

UR posting a lot of crap... In those cases there should be an intervention...

But then... Half of Africa is in such a situation... Well... MR Bush... Where R UR troops? Ah, I forgot... No oil in those countries.. Not worth it, I understand...

For one, the war was not about oil. America can produce plenty for itself, and we are not as reliant on foreign oil as you may think. A more plausible explanation would be faulty intelligence pointing towards development of nuclear and biological weapons, or the misinterpretation of said intelligence. Also, Little Bushie was just trying to finish his father's war.

Did I mention that the US hasn't paid their due's to the UN for 8 years now, so not even the UN can intervene?

Would you pay money to an organization that did nothing but undermine you? Didn't think so. I'm surprised we haven't kicked the UN out of American affairs altogether, but I suppose that'd piss entirely too many people off, and yeah, our officials are ambiguous in their interpretations of their own policy.

(BTW: NVM... I alway's thought U were that kind of person... I guess I was right all along...)

Actually, I am not, I was just trying to make a point. Just because I can think like a madman doesn't make me one. Of course the fact that I have a slight grudge against humanity might make it easier for me to think like this without revulsion.

Just don't bother trying to justify the invasion... You might convince me... It's just that there's 4.000.000.000 more ppl to convince... Isnt the majority alway's right?

Not at all. The majority of people in the world are complete and absolute morons. Just take a look around you if you don't believe me.

[west]

The majority is never correct. They are only polled for entertainment value and to adjust their training plans.

The majority isn't necessarily always right or always wrong.

The majority of people are easily misled, though, and depending on the circumstances could just as easily be right as wrong.

However, that implies a universally accepted version of truth.

[Pirog]

But all of you who supports the war in Iraq just because they managed to get Saddam in the end needs to think about the long term problems...almost every military conflict in the world today is a direct or indirect result of Europeans and Americans.

Many Europeans has started to understand that we can't keep forcing our values and ways of life on people who doesn't want to live like that...because face it, the Western world is the bad guys on this earth.
We maintain a standard of life that is killing this planet, and it is on the expense of starving people in Third World countries...who are still living pretty much in the same structures as when they were colonies.

I don't think our way of life is a very good example.
We are all very rich in comparison to the rest of the world, but we are not happier. In our societies people have huge problems with their own identities, because "the little man" is so utterly unimportant in the huge machinery our nations has become...and we are also very duped.
If you start thinking about these thinks we are not very free at all. Just the fact that almost all TV-programs (the commercial channels) are made for the single fact of keeping us exposed to commercials proves how corrupt our societies are...our life is so controlled by corporations that I feel like a conspiracy theorist every time I think about it...because if the lie is just huge enough people buy it.

You Americans are very proud to have carved your country out of the wilderness and fought a long war to win your freedom, and I don't think Americans would appreciate foreign meddling in your internal affairs.
I'm sure people in Iraq in general are a bit more happy now then they were under Saddam Hussein, but you may have robbed them of their chance to a good future, since they will always know that they didn't liberate themselves.
Why didn't American forces raise the Iraq flag over Saddam's palaces? Why couldn't they have let the Iraqis tear down the statues of Saddam?

[Pirog]

Oh...and I'm sorry if I sometimes make it sound like ALL Americans are war crazy idiots. That is of course not the case.

You must feel bad getting blamed for the things your government does...I just hope it becomes a motivation to make sure Bush doesn't get re-elected.

[new.vogue.nightmare]

I'm sure people in Iraq in general are a bit more happy now then they were under Saddam Hussein, but you may have robbed them of their chance to a good future, since they will always know that they didn't liberate themselves.
Why didn't American forces raise the Iraq flag over Saddam's palaces? Why couldn't they have let the Iraqis tear down the statues of Saddam?

They should have raised the iraqi flag. But as for the other things:

The iraqi people were doing a pretty lousy job liberating themselves (after all they were too busy being massacred and/or tortured)

And did you watch the Iraqis hammering away at the statues? It was kind of amusing watching them pound away until they could get the heavy machinery and stuff in

[west]

I remember watching the Iraqis cheering the arriving troops in Baghdad and thinking, "I wonder how much of that is actual happiness and how much is motivated by fear? After all, they've lived under Saddam for so long, and he always has cheering masses around him. Bullshitting and appeasing the Big Guy is a survival trait in Iraq."

But at least we've awakened a bit of spunk in the Iraqi people, eh?

People weren't attacking Saddam with as much vigor as they're attacking U.S. troops, and Saddam was worse by a factor of 10 or 20. They're enjoying their freedom to ambush, snipe, and attack. Woots to them.

[Pirog]

vogue>

But why couldn't the Americans give them the time to finish the job by themselves?

west>

People always cheer.
Even the Nazis was cheered in many of the countries they invaded...it's just a way for people to ensure their safety.

And you shouldn't always trust even the things you can visually see on the news. After the 11/9 western media showed clips of cheering people in Palestine and other places, but it was later revealed that it was pictures from a religious holiday before the 11/9...

[Pirog]

Today in Swedish media there was an article about the growing dislike towards Americans in Europe.

In France and Germany only 37-38 % of the population has a positive view of USA...that is even lower than I thought.

(source: Pew Research Center in USA)

[Meh]

That is higher than I thought it would be. At any given momement it is lower than that when we view ourselves.

What was the exact poll question.
I just ask because of the USA today poll.

Headline: "Majority of people belive drug dealers should be put to death"

Acutal poll question: "Do you think that the drug dealers that kill our children should have capital punishment as a possible sentence?"