Capital Rule

[Voltenion]

nah. make others. No one is going to kill you if you have two chars on the same town for a while. And it's so fun to have plenty of them!

[rconley]

Players are permitted to have two characters in the same town as long as they are not a part of the same group or organization or cooperating in any way. Any more characters than two, you get a note from us on why they're together and asking about their current goals. However, (my opinion) it's always best NOT to keep more than one character in a location because then you stand less of a chance of an unintentional crb.

To saztronic's points:

1) It's almost inevitable that you will face a CRB with your charries at some point.
2) There's almost no good way of resolving one, so...
3) Avoid them at all costs, but...
4) See #1

1) yes, at some point it's almost inevitable whether intentional or unintentional that you will face a CRB with at least one character.

2) Resolving a CRB depending on the situation and the damage done isn't really all that difficult. Yes, sometimes damage is done that is irreversible but PD is always there to lend assistance and give advice to solve the issue as best as possible.

3) Avoid them at all cost. Yes, but sometimes it isn't always that easy. Sometimes odd circumstances might bring two of your characters in the same location and close to the same issue and can be unavoidable. Sometimes it's best even if it might be a little out of character for one...to "sleep" while the other handles it. For example, a newspawn thief comes along and you are a town guard in one town, a concerned citizen with a second character. Obviously (to most) you cannot send two characters out to attack that same thief. Attacking with two of your own characters would get your account locked until it is resolved. You being online with two characters at the same time, while the thief doesn't have that option gives you an unfair advantage in the situation. Best option is to let one sleep while the other character handles the thief.

Sometimes it becomes necessary to stray from your characters natural instincts to avoid such a CRB but if you find yourself in a situation where it could be considered a CRB or possibly turn into one and make it unfair for others around your character, then contact Pd and inform them of the situation. We're always around for advice as well to help you through these types of situations and some of us can even be found in the IRC for conversation should you have questions about it.

[saztronic]

Sometimes it becomes necessary to stray from your characters natural instincts to avoid such a CRB but if you find yourself in a situation where it could be considered a CRB or possibly turn into one and make it unfair for others around your character, then contact Pd and inform them of the situation. We're always around for advice as well to help you through these types of situations and some of us can even be found in the IRC for conversation should you have questions about it.

Your intent is kind, but not very realistic here. This is like telling a teenager that if they get into a questionable social situation, contact a friendly teacher or parent who will guide you through life's difficulties. There are a tiny fraction who will follow the advice, but most are just going to work it out on their own.

Same in Cantr. Who wants to contact Big Brother before solving a problem? Y'all can contact us if you don't like what we're doing, otherwise we're quite fine fumbling around on our own, thanks. Not trying to be uppity here, just pointing out the default thought process.

[rconley]

Your intent is kind, but not very realistic here.

My intent is nothing more than pointing out pd policy. Whether or not players choose to follow it is up to them. But the reality is if you're caught in a CRB you will hear from us and deal with the consequences of it. If we know of the situation it's easier to repair damage done or avoid further damage in game from occuring when a player tries to "fumble" around on their own to fix it. MOST times, that only makes it worse.

There are a tiny fraction who will follow the advice, but most are just going to work it out on their own.

Yes, there are, but again, if caught you are contacted by us and the situation is dealt with

Same in Cantr. Who wants to contact Big Brother before solving a problem? Y'all can contact us if you don't like what we're doing, otherwise we're quite fine fumbling around on our own, thanks.

Whether you ask for their advice or simply want them to be sure and know there's a problem and you're trying to resolve it, It is always better to contact PD and at least let them know so they are aware of a problem and can watch to see that further damage is not being done to the game. It is better we hear from the players involved because then we can see yes, this player is honestly trying to resolve the situation. Finding out on our own sometimes comes across as the player trying to avoid it or hide something depending on the CRB situation. When a CRB comes up or you feel that you may be getting involved in one, it is ALWAYS best to contact us.

[MakeBeliever]

Is it a capital rule break to have a character attack another character in a group say, while also having playing a character in the group your attacking?because thats not really odd curcumstances, you know if your going to plan an attack and choosing that story line. So therefore choosing to have characters close and mingling their lives.

Should you avoid this kind of playing when you know it will bring multiple characters together because you are gaining inside knowledge of the ones movements you are attacking?Would that be classed as unfair strategy playing and maybe avoided, or is that fair play.?

[rconley]

Nice to see you again MB. Yes it would be IF (and I express that very strongly) that were the case and the actual circumstances involved. But players also need to be aware that they don't always have the facts behind another players characters motives or whereabouts, that's why there is PD and the GAB to handle those issues when reported and actually see the facts behind them that other players in the game can't see.

Should you avoid this kind of playing when you know it will bring multiple characters together because you are gaining inside knowledge of the ones movements you are attacking?Would that be classed as unfair strategy playing and maybe avoided, or is that fair play.?

Yes, if you are planning an attack with one character and bringing in another character to "spy" and know inside knowledge and the movements of the group you are attacking it would be a CRB. And yes it should be avoided. It definitely would not be fair play to have a spy in the group while another is planning to attack them.

[the_antisocial_hermit]

I'm sick of seeing thinly veiled attacks. Quit it.

[saztronic]

I'm sick of seeing thinly veiled attacks. Quit it.

I don't know what you're referring to -- presumably something MakeBeliever said -- but what is this, Thought Police? If the "attack" is so veiled I don't even know what you're talking about, it's not much of an attack -- does it really warrant admonishment from someone with the authority to ban them from the forums or lock the thread?

Should we all be "watching what we say"?

And actually, I ask that pretty seriously.

[MakeBeliever]

I'm sick of seeing thinly veiled attacks. Quit it.

Is asking questions from those that know the playing fields very well with regards to crb an attack ?

Yes, if you are planning an attack with one character and bringing in another character to "spy" and know inside knowledge and the movements of the group you are attacking it would be a CRB. And yes it should be avoided. It definitely would not be fair play to have a spy in the group while another is planning to attack them.

If people playing are aware of odd situations as the above Scenario "quote" and know that this is not the right way to behave with characters, then less of them should be occuring ingame for future playing.

[the_antisocial_hermit]

First off, I don't have the authority to ban anyone from the forum.

What I said, I said because I do see it, and I keep seeing it in various places; it keeps coming up. It is obvious to some people, and I don't want to see baiting of those people. If the thread turns into some flame-war because of the baiting, then, yes, I have to lock it. So I stand by what I said: I'm sick of it. I'm tired of seeing it and worrying about whether it's going to turn into a flame war. I don't like petty sniping, so yes, I'll say something to hopefully keep it from becoming something worse. The forum is not the place for such issues.

I'm done.

[Redbeard]

First off, I don't have the authority to ban anyone from the forum.

What I said, I said because I do see it, and I keep seeing it in various places; it keeps coming up. It is obvious to some people, and I don't want to see baiting of those people. If the thread turns into some flame-war because of the baiting, then, yes, I have to lock it. So I stand by what I said: I'm sick of it. I'm tired of seeing it and worrying about whether it's going to turn into a flame war. I don't like petty sniping, so yes, I'll say something to hopefully keep it from becoming something worse. The forum is not the place for such issues.

I'm done.

Is anyone as confused as I am now? What are you talking about and what is "it"?

[rconley]

IT has been dealt with and IT has no business on the forums and will not be discussed here. Those involved know full well what the "attack" was and what the post was meant to do and many are tired of hearing it all come up again and again. Those not involved don't need to be. So let's stop discussing IT and get back on topic.

[MakeBeliever]

I'm glad to hear IT was deblt with, I got the answer there for my question that it's certainly not fair play and that was all that was needed. Maybe i should actually be flattered it took multiples to make an attack on my character at the time. ..would have been much more entertaining one on one though.

[SekoETC]

All in favor of STFU raise your hand. Unless the rules are changed that the whole damn case is made public, people should stop insinuating things. My respect for everyone involved goes down with every post. Either some people I've previously found attractive are paranoid and seeing things, which is very unattractive, or then there is a PD conspiracy in which case who the fucking cares, we can't change it so maybe we just gotta make friends with them so that they would see no reason to turn against our characters, since naturally if people have the power to see who plays whom and where their characters are then there is an advantage. It's about not using that advantage and for sake of our mental stability we must assume the best, assume that there is reason and no fucking corruption. I bet this topic is going to get locked in a minute so... what ever. I should take a time out. Go on hermi, censor me.

[Redbeard]

Two things:

I am glad I am not involved... or if I am involved, then I am glad I am too slow to realize it.

I have both hands up