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Postby ephiroll » Tue Mar 16, 2004 3:59 am

new.vogue.nightmare wrote:Time travel in reverse is theoretically possible, except it would require faster than light travel. The only way one can travel faster than a beam of light requires the light to slow down, such as with a massive gravitational field, and for an object travelling incredibly fast to take another route around the field, thus beating the beam of light. Or something along those lines...I didn't pay enough attention in class really. Anyway, the only thing capable of doing something to that effect would be a cosmic string, assuming they exist. I think. *scratches head and desperately tries to remember*


Actually, FTL speeds are possible according to QT, but it's not speed as we commonly think of it. There is mounting evidence that on a subatomic level energy transfer can be instantanious, resulting in info tranfer at a FTL speed, but not in "speed" as we think of it. FTL travel in our common sense of the word is impossible (barring wormhole and cosmic string theories) because the faster something moves the more energy required to move it because the "heavier" it becomes and when you reach a certain speed it requires an infinate amount of energy to move an infinate amount of mass, so making it impossible to go any faster.

Another interesting fact, if quantum theory is correct then there is a MINIMUM of 7 dimensions.

And for something to really blow your mind, look up the "membrane theory" of the birth of the universe...I'm still having problems getting my head around that one, it's a new theory that will probly replace the "big bang" theory in a few years as the accepted way that the universe was created.
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Postby new.vogue.nightmare » Tue Mar 16, 2004 4:13 am

Doesn't the energy transfer thing require splitting a photon, and then messing with one of them causes the other to react since they're actually the same thing? Also, for an explanation on dimensions beyond our percieved three, read Carl Sagan's Cosmos. There's a fairly good explanation of it, as well as a wealth of other information. I read it when I was 7 or so and my life has been deeper and more meaningful ever since. :D
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Re: Americans Discover Time Travel

Postby Bowser » Tue Mar 16, 2004 4:19 am

Not Here So Much wrote: They were extremely surprised to see that a chronometer set in the weather balloon displayed the date of January 27, 1965, the same day 30 years ago.


So when the balloon went back in time, the chronometer changed, but when it was pulled back, it didn't change back?

Was there someone on the other side that saw this chronometer set incorrectly and set it to the proper date? So its only possible to travel back in time... unless you hook a rope to something and drag it forward in time?

Why is it that the 5 minutes inbetween snooze button hits in the morning seems like 5 seconds?
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Postby kroner » Tue Mar 16, 2004 4:22 am

maybe your bed flies in circles at near light speed while your alarm clock stays still?
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Postby new.vogue.nightmare » Tue Mar 16, 2004 4:24 am

Actually, since it was a balloon, they needed the rope to pull it back. If it had been a small aircraft they likely could have just flown back through. But why are we debating on a piece of fiction anyway? Have we no lives? *looks at self* Oh...*sigh*
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Postby Bowser » Tue Mar 16, 2004 4:28 am

new.vogue.nightmare wrote:Actually, since it was a balloon, they needed the rope to pull it back. If it had been a small aircraft they likely could have just flown back through. But why are we debating on a piece of fiction anyway? Have we no lives? *looks at self* Oh...*sigh*


Did the rope have slime on it just like in the movie about the haunted house with the little girl stuck in a closet and talking through the TV? They tied a rope around one of the kids and sent him into the closet. Dad was gonna pull the kid back out, but some big ole monster popped its head out and Dad let go of the rope. The kid and the rope fell through some swirly hole in the middle of the ceiling, all covered in slime.

Slimes gotta have something to do with it, I just know it.
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Postby ephiroll » Tue Mar 16, 2004 4:30 am

new.vogue.nightmare wrote:Doesn't the energy transfer thing require splitting a photon, and then messing with one of them causes the other to react since they're actually the same thing?


Yeah, alot more to it (article I read it in was like 10 magazine pages) but that's the basic idea. For instance if you cause one of the particles to spin in the opposite direction then the other will also reverse direction because of the energy link between them, so far all tests come to the conclusion that the change is instantanious no matter how far away they are from each other, why that is so, is one of the mysteries of quantum theory.

I'll have to check out Carl Sagan, I haven't really read any of his books. Another interesting book is Stephen Hawking's "The Universe in a Nutshell".
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Postby new.vogue.nightmare » Tue Mar 16, 2004 4:36 am

Yeah, that's on my "To read when I stop being so apathetic about everything" list :P
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Postby Bowser » Tue Mar 16, 2004 4:43 am

But never forget the lesson taught to us by Homer Simpson... Don't step on a bug in the past, time travel exploits can have vast repercussions on the future.
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Postby ephiroll » Tue Mar 16, 2004 4:45 am

ah...if only Homer had waited til it rained :lol:
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Postby west » Tue Mar 16, 2004 5:41 am

Bowser wrote:But never forget the lesson taught to us by Homer Simpson... Don't step on a bug in the past, time travel exploits can have vast repercussions on the future.


A joke on Bradbury's A sound of Thunder

but a really funny episode. What with the Shinning and the kidburgers. Classic.
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Postby Meh » Tue Mar 16, 2004 3:32 pm

ephiroll wrote:And for something to really blow your mind, look up the "membrane theory" of the birth of the universe...I'm still having problems getting my head around that one, it's a new theory that will probly replace the "big bang" theory in a few years as the accepted way that the universe was created.


Membrane theory is basically been disproved. Each time they come up with a model the field effects cannot be detected. Tehn they revise the model so that it would be harder to detect. And then it is still not detected.
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Postby Meh » Tue Mar 16, 2004 4:10 pm

It is possible that out time awareness is skewed since we are travelling near 1% of the speed of light.

speed of light c = ~299'792 k/s

speed of sun around galatic core = ~220 k/s

This is not to mention and speed the whole galaxy may have. I don't know if that is know. It is hard to measure since you only know the realtive speed of everything else and the fact that much of the observed speed is not speed but rather more universe being created between two points.

Another thing I'm not clear on is that if we are already travelling at at least 1% the speed of light does that mean there is a direction in which light can only travel the remaining 99% of the speed. They would have figured that out long ago if there was.

Also light has little to no mass. Pushing things something with mass up to a 1% speed, say a solar system, must be alot of energy. If we could find a way to remove the orbital energy from a small amount of mass could we keep the energy and send the mass in whatever direction?

There's alot of this I just don't understand anymore if I ever really did understand it.
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Postby Spectrus_Wolfus » Tue Mar 16, 2004 4:38 pm

the biggest problem's with all scientific theory is just that. it's theory. science through the ages has come up with "known fact's" that have proven wrong in the year's to follow. for a basic example look at the form of atom's it was thought they where like a fruit cake with the bit's randomly in them and then someone said no they have a core with electron's in a single cloud now it's multiple cloud's of electron's and give it a few years and someone will come up with another way that they are shaped. the only fact's in the world are the one's we have and beleive now go back 1000 year's and tell people the world is round and you'd probably get burnt as a heretic but it's a "known fact" that the world is round now
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Re: Americans Discover Time Travel

Postby Indio no.9 » Tue Mar 16, 2004 6:42 pm

No this is all wrong, all wrong. Time travel pfft I mean look at this for example.

Badger wrote:researchers noticed some spinning gray fog in the sky over the pole on January 27 which they believed to be just ordinary sandstorm.


Ordinary sandstorms ay.. ...in antarctica.

Oh yeh because sandstorms are ordnary down there aren't they.

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