Canadian and USA relations.

[Psycho Pixie]

did just totally miss the current message? or what?




PsPi

[nitefyre]

I think its wrong-though it is undoubtedly true-for the U.S. to be the world's police force ever since the 90's. After the Central American ops, it followed with '89 Panama, '91 Kuwait, '92 Somalia[Marines], '93 Somalia[Rangers+10th MD], '95 Haiti, '90s Yugoslavia, '01 Afghanistan, '03 Iraq, '04 Haiti amongst others.

[David]

Canada and the U.S. are very much intertwined. Even if one were to remove cultural similarities, the U.S. and Canada and intertwined extremely in terms of economics. Whether one would characterize the economic relationship as predatory or symbiotic is a different question altogether (probably a little bit of both on both ends of it), it is there either way. Economics to a large degree determines ties, not neccesarily friendly/unfriendly, but the strength of those ties. There has to be a certain baseline of affinity to establish economic relationships, but beyond that other factors start to enter into it. For instance, America has a strong economic relationship with Saudi Arabia, and its policy apparatus to a large degree are favorable to Saudi Arabia to facilitate that relationships, but are the two countries neccesarily friendly, there is certainly a strong relationship, due to economics, but friendly or unfriendly? So there is defintely a strong relationship between U.S./Canada, the character of the relationship is up to question though.

[Lone Wolf]

I just wanted to point one thing out here. Canada doesn't ask the US for protection. Canada has great allies across the sea. Remeber we were given our freedom to avoid another bloody battle like the American colonies had to face. Let's put it this way. Had Canada been settled first it would have been us fighting for freedom and the American colonies would have recieved when requested.

As a Canadian I'd like to share some information with all my American Cantr Players. I along with many other Canadians thought we should have backed the US in the war in Iraq. I would have like to know a little more info on why we went from fighting Bin Laddin to Saddam so quick, but now the US is also starting to wonder the same so I'll leave that alone. But most of Canada agreed that a potential threat was there and we needed to do something before more attacks happend. I'm sorry for those in Spain and hope that the Canadian Gov'mt does more to help.

Although a proud Canadian, I have great respect for Americans because we are the same. You make fun of those from the south (hillbilly) and we make fun of the Newfies (people who live in New Foundland). Both Canada and the USA has raceism, but towards different Races. We both have crime and Gov'mt corruption, We all fight for a better way of life. I think it is time for both Gov'mts to realize that they have better friends in thier North/south Neihbors than any where else.

PS here is a newfie joke for you to lighten up your day

I was in my kitchen one day and looked out my window and seen my Newfie neihbors house on fire. I ran out side to see him just laughing. I said "hey Newf, aint ya gonna call the fire department" He said "why I got enough lumber in my attic to build me another one"

[new.vogue.nightmare]

I just wanted to point one thing out here. Canada doesn't ask the US for protection. Canada has great allies across the sea. Remeber we were given our freedom to avoid another bloody battle like the American colonies had to face. Let's put it this way. Had Canada been settled first it would have been us fighting for freedom and the American colonies would have recieved when requested.

As a Canadian I'd like to share some information with all my American Cantr Players. I along with many other Canadians thought we should have backed the US in the war in Iraq. I would have like to know a little more info on why we went from fighting Bin Laddin to Saddam so quick, but now the US is also starting to wonder the same so I'll leave that alone. But most of Canada agreed that a potential threat was there and we needed to do something before more attacks happend. I'm sorry for those in Spain and hope that the Canadian Gov'mt does more to help.

Although a proud Canadian, I have great respect for Americans because we are the same. You make fun of those from the south (hillbilly) and we make fun of the Newfies (people who live in New Foundland). Both Canada and the USA has raceism, but towards different Races. We both have crime and Gov'mt corruption, We all fight for a better way of life. I think it is time for both Gov'mts to realize that they have better friends in thier North/south Neihbors than any where else.

PS here is a newfie joke for you to lighten up your day

I was in my kitchen one day and looked out my window and seen my Newfie neihbors house on fire. I ran out side to see him just laughing. I said "hey Newf, aint ya gonna call the fire department" He said "why I got enough lumber in my attic to build me another one"

*sniff* I love Canada. *holds up a little Canadian flag*

[west]

Inside me not only is there a little boy chewing on my heart, there's a Canadian trying to get out.

[nitefyre]

Inside me not only is there a little boy chewing on my heart, there's a Canadian trying to get out.

Kidnapping another canadian Mr. West? *rips out his heart, trying to save the canadian*

Yes, its best put the U.S. and Canada will never be at war with each other, and not act like those french... [rambles on for several mins about how the US had to save France's ass from WWi, WWii, Vietnam, etc, and all they do is help Saddam]

[kroner]

not act like those french... [rambles on for several mins about how the US had to save France's ass from WWi, WWii, Vietnam, etc, and all they do is help Saddam]

well , can't just let one slide. prepare yourself for combat!
*apologies in advanced for off-topicness*
alright, first off, america didn't join any of those wars to help the french, and in vietnam US help did jack sh*t, so the french are hardly deep in owed gratitude. second, they have every right to decide what ever political course they feel like. just because bush thinks that it's about time again to cover up his domestic problems with a nice little war doesn't mean the US is in the right or that other countries are obligated to help with something so stupid. it's about time a country stands up for itself and for what's right. so props to france.
then we get to the war. is saddam a bad guy? of course. is he a threat to the US? hardly. iraq had no weapons of mass destruction and there wasn't clear eveidence of them existing. there are many other countries with much clearer evidence of weapons such as north korea. even if saddam did have the weapons, he would never be so stupid as to use them in a direct attack against the US. a guy doesn't stay dictator for very long without a bit of sense. basically the only way saddam could have ever harmed the US was through funding terrorism. now there are many countries that are far more involved with terrorists. saudi arabia comes to mind, but we need their oil too much to do anything.
now people will argue that the war was justified because saddam hussien was a terrible oppressive dictator, but there are worse and some of those were put into power by the US, so don't give me all this righteous bullcrap.
so why did we fight this war then? bush's reputation. things aren't going well domestically so we'd better divert attention. saddam has a reputation for being a bad guy and we can play up the threat of weapons. most important, this is a war we can win easily so it looks nice on the prsidential resume. then there's oil, haliburton, etc, but that's questionable so i'm not even going to get into that.

[Lone Wolf]

*sniff* I love Canada. *holds up a little Canadian flag*

*stands at his computer with his Canadian buddies holding little American flags* WE LOVE YOU TOO MAN![/quote]

[kroner]

Aww man, the forum's gotten so tame. I make a controversial and onesided remark about US politics and the war in Iraq and no one even lifts an eyebrow... I remember back in the day....

Anyway, slightly back on topic, I like Canada. Canada is good. *waves Canadian flag too*

[nitefyre]

not act like those french... [rambles on for several mins about how the US had to save France's ass from WWi, WWii, Vietnam, etc, and all they do is help Saddam]

well , can't just let one slide. prepare yourself for combat!
*apologies in advanced for off-topicness*
alright, first off, america didn't join any of those wars to help the french, and in vietnam US help did jack sh*t, so the french are hardly deep in owed gratitude. second, they have every right to decide what ever political course they feel like. just because bush thinks that it's about time again to cover up his domestic problems with a nice little war doesn't mean the US is in the right or that other countries are obligated to help with something so stupid. it's about time a country stands up for itself and for what's right. so props to france.
then we get to the war. is saddam a bad guy? of course. is he a threat to the US? hardly. iraq had no weapons of mass destruction and there wasn't clear eveidence of them existing. there are many other countries with much clearer evidence of weapons such as north korea. even if saddam did have the weapons, he would never be so stupid as to use them in a direct attack against the US. a guy doesn't stay dictator for very long without a bit of sense. basically the only way saddam could have ever harmed the US was through funding terrorism. now there are many countries that are far more involved with terrorists. saudi arabia comes to mind, but we need their oil too much to do anything.
now people will argue that the war was justified because saddam hussien was a terrible oppressive dictator, but there are worse and some of those were put into power by the US, so don't give me all this righteous bullcrap.
so why did we fight this war then? bush's reputation. things aren't going well domestically so we'd better divert attention. saddam has a reputation for being a bad guy and we can play up the threat of weapons. most important, this is a war we can win easily so it looks nice on the prsidential resume. then there's oil, haliburton, etc, but that's questionable so i'm not even going to get into that.

Perhaps I should make it clearer when I half bullshit. Are you going to deny that france got raped up the ass in wwii, and their own magino line was blitzkrieged to sh-t? Did it take thousands of AMERICAN lives of the greatest generation to win back from June6th onward. Did the Americans have to face French bullets at North Africa? YES, and later we forgave them and let them 'help us'. 'Nam, wait thats too sensitive of an issue, so I'll move on, Kerry n'all.

Now about Iraq, yes Saddam is a bad man, he is "Hitler revisited." Who helped fight the first Gulf War, who? France...yes. And WHO quit helping with the NO Fly zone missions? France...yes. And was this during the time the Weapons inspections were going to sh-t? Yes. And did they help when the UN sanctioned the '98 Clinton wuss operation? Not really. Did [France] start getting oil contracts during this time? Debatable. So, at least Bush doesn't deal with an Org that kills THOUSANDS OF ThEIR OWN PEOPLE. GASING KURDS, SHIITES, IRANIANS. That in itself should be enuff to take Saddam out.

As the saying goes..."Kill one man, get life in prison. Kill a dozen men, get life in hospital. Kill a thousand people, get life in exile."

[new.vogue.nightmare]

The Maginot line was the most pointless idea ever. Sure, it made the French/German border near impenetrable, but it didn't cover the Belgian border, which is exactly the route Germany took to get to France in the first World War. And they did it again in the second one. Duh. *smites france for not thinking*

And yeah, as the saying goes, "It's cheaper to buy in bulk, so why should it be any different with killing?"

..Okay, to be honest I just made it up.

[nitefyre]

The Maginot line was the most pointless idea ever. Sure, it made the French/German border near impenetrable, but it didn't cover the Belgian border, which is exactly the route Germany took to get to France in the first World War. And they did it again in the second one. Duh. *smites france for not thinking*

And yeah, as the saying goes, "It's cheaper to buy in bulk, so why should it be any different with killing?"

..Okay, to be honest I just made it up.

Well there's one similar to that, cept with corruption

Kill one man, go for life in jail. Kill a dozen men, go for life in a hospital. Kill a thousand men, go for an exile vacation.

Maginot line was as pointless as me. =D