Desert tortoises

[Oasis]

Oh no! Those tortoises are important in one town I'm in. Protected, named, they're their pets! One of the few uniquenesses in Cantr that meant a lot to one of my charries.

[Doug R.]

All tortoises have been put back, for now.

[T-shirt]

Thank you.

[Arenti]

Thank you for putting 4 of the 26 tortoises back

Why not all of them!

[the_antisocial_hermit]

At least it is some.

[Mr. Bones]

Yeah I have to say the desert tortoise has been one of the most useful animals in one of my characters towns. They practically shielded the entire military. And I know other towns on Pok where there are myths and local legends accossiated with them. Losing the tortoises would suck a big ****.

[Doug R.]

Desert Tortoises were never meant to migrate past the mountains.

However, the fact is that the region north of the Pok mountains is about to become very dangerous, so I will replace them with another species of tortoise. Even if I didn't, I'm confident that the towns there are established enough to protect their own citizens.

The southwestern mountain range is not connected to the desert and is very isolated, relying on the surrounding non-mountain towns like Dory for most basic necessities (at least that's how it was when I had a character there). I will not be replacing these tortoises. The small number I put back will be sufficient to help characters transition to the new fauna that will be seeded there. Even without them, characters there will find the area to be much more self-sufficient (food-wise) than it has been.

[Arenti]

That would be great I hope some of those new mountain animals will have hide or wool because I have hardly anything to make clothes from and more meat will always be welcome

[Mr. Bones]

It's not so much the animal products as it is their cultural significance. There's either some folklore connected to them or some law protecting them for some reason throughout the island. If they're going to be removed because of the terrain there should be different varieties available through the island to match the different terrains. People can just RP some kind of evolution shit.

[Cantryjczyk]

I fully agree. Tortoises was in places like hills from prehistoric time and was removed becose not good animal name. Solution is to create few other kind of tortoises and lets every terrain who had them before to have some kind of tortoise now. It is so unique and great animal, it will be nothing wrong with many species and big number of tortoises in whole big island. They can even be larger and harder to kill or smaller and still hard to kill with very few resources from them. But they shoud be there, for roleplaying and cultural reasons. They are so great, that it is really hard to read that they are removed from game by higher power against will of players from weird reasons.

it's like killing an adult because someone decide the child was never meant to be born.

[Doug R.]

I fully agree. Tortoises was in places like hills from prehistoric time and was removed becose not good animal name...
It is so unique and great animal, it will be nothing wrong with many species and big number of tortoises in whole big island. But they shoud be there, for roleplaying and cultural reasons. They are so great, that it is really hard to read that they are removed from game by higher power against will of players from weird reasons.

First of all, in this thread: http://www.cantr.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 89&start=0

I asked the players to give their feedback on animals that were necessary for survival and culture. Multiple people mentioned desert tortoises on Treefeather, but no one mentioned specific regions or locations that they were necessary. Since there was no protest against restricting desert tortoises to mountains and deserts back in June, I had no reason to suspect that by removing them from hills I would be in any way going against the will of the players. People responded that they were necessary on Treefeather, and I had no intention of removing them from Treefeather.

Second of all, I have stated my purpose, methods, and reasons in multiple posts throughout the forum. I have good reasons for what I'm doing, and they have been made public for some time.

This is my final distribution:

-Desert Tortoises in Pok Desert and the mountains connected to it
-A new tortoise species in the North
-Small number of tortoises to be left in the southwest mountains as a transitional aid.

[DylPickle]

Go Doug! *claps*

Some of us actually appreciate the lengths you're taking to shake the game up a little bit.

[Doug R.]

That said, I do recognize my failure in not requesting clarification of the general statements. I tend to take things at face value. In the future, please keep in mind that my ability to harmonize animal changes with the character culture is only as good/accurate/efficient as the completeness of the information given to me by the players. There is no such thing as too much information in these instances.

[viktor]

heh, interestingly enough this sudden disappearance and then small scale temporary reappearance of tortoises makes it a pretty realistic die off/evolution/ecosystem shifting process

in addition i'd like to say that when sicknesses originally came out they were overpowered and later weakened which when you think about it is very realistic becuse the populations gain partial immunity after time and don't get it as bad as when it first appeared.

funny how these experiments turn out to create a realistic effect.

[T-shirt]

I don't mind animals are removed from places. But if animals are planned to be added too, please add animals first and remove the other animals later.