Swords should be faster to make

[shapukas]

Coud it be reconsidered the time neede for weapon making? I finde it silly. Brick house could be build fastes then lets say cleymore forging. I cant imagine that. Could it be changed?

[SekoETC]

You must be joking! Weapons are so fast to make I in fact have to charge people far more than what they're actually worth because the actual costs seem too low. Granted that making the tools and the sharpening block and the anvil and getting steel make it is a lengthly process but it's not meant to be done by a single character or for single use. It is possible but will take years and doesn't make much sense. The system is meant to encourage people to try buying weapons from producers rather than everyone making their own. And brick houses are meant to be fast.

[shapukas]

Yea? But it doesnt smell like real life. Its unreal to build house faster then forging a weapon. Sure, mashynery and tools that needed for weapons its ok. But weapons themself i think its too long to produse. At least comparing to other things. But if its not gona be changed, then it doesnt mater.

[Phalynx]

Yea? But it doesnt smell like real life. Its unreal to build house faster then forging a weapon. Sure, mashynery and tools that needed for weapons its ok. But weapons themself i think its too long to produse. At least comparing to other things. But if its not gona be changed, then it doesnt mater.

Welcome tro cantreality!

[SekoETC]

Claymore takes: claymore blade + large hilt, 2.5 days
Claymore blade takes: 215 grams of steel, 5 days
Large hilt takes 35 grams of steel, 25 grams of leather, 2.5 days

Total: 10 days, 250 grams of steel, 25 grams of leather

Steel is 43 grams/day if travelling for resources doesn't count. So that's about 6 days of steel. Leather is less than a day so we can assume it free. Total 16 days. Ok, that is a bit big but claymore is one of the priciest weapons because it's the third best damage-wise and doesn't take much skill to wield. If you want something cheaper, try the gladius, 100 grams of steel, 20 grams leather, 6.5 days ~= 9.

I think weapons should be heavier, at least some of them. It doesn't sound logical that a sword weights the same as a package of salami.

If you want balance then how about we make houses take a longer time to build?

[shapukas]

what i had in minde is to shorten up the time for ... example.

Claymore takes: claymore blade + large hilt, 1 days
Claymore blade takes: 215 grams of steel, 2 days
Large hilt takes 35 grams of steel, 25 grams of leather, 1 days

Total 4 days instead of 10

And i dont care how long does it takes to produse steel. I'm talking jus about how long does it takes to produce semi-finished things for weapons. Thats all. i know, that it is allmose imposible to make such a weapon alone.


If it canot be made like that then yes, by changing lets say brick house building time from 5 to 10 days, will balance a little. But it should efeckt all buildings. And i think nobody will like that idea.

[SekoETC]

It's supposed to be a fine sword. Fine stuff takes skill and time. If you want some quickie swords then maybe there could be some stuff like orc swords in LoTR but those should require a mold. After you got the mold you could produce several of them a day but they wouldn't be as efficient as regular swords. Cantr has too many different blades anyway.

[shapukas]

No, you still dont see my point. 10 days for cleymor? Its half cantr year. Its not some sort of katana or something. I just wanted to compare buildings and weaponry. When in other posts players whants pregnancy, seats or some other realistic stuff, so i suggested to reconsider weapon making time. In real life suc a sword could be made in cuple of days. ah, what the hec, if its not gona be reconsider, then i dont see the point to explane. Sorry for my posts.

[SekoETC]

Stop trying to wreck the economy and make a gladius, the wiki says they're the same thing in real life.

[Joshuamonkey]

A very important factor is that Cantr buildings are much much simpler than modern ones (although, they sure do make houses fast these days ) so basically, all you're working on is attaching brick to brick 24/7.

P.S. But there is some other solution. Could it be posible to make attaks invisible with invisible weapons? In that case invisibles weapons doesnt have to be deadly. Its just plotery weapon. Maby to acuse someone in tretry or something. Think about that.

That would be kind of cool, but then you'd have a lot of people attacking people every day without being seen, especially in large towns. Knowing Doryiskom, things would get very interesting...and the death rate for Cantrians would spike.
It would be cool though.

[DELGRAD]

No, you still dont see my point. 10 days for cleymor? Its half cantr year. Its not some sort of katana or something. I just wanted to compare buildings and weaponry. When in other posts players whants pregnancy, seats or some other realistic stuff, so i suggested to reconsider weapon making time. In real life suc a sword could be made in cuple of days. ah, what the hec, if its not gona be reconsider, then i dont see the point to explane. Sorry for my posts.

Making everything that is needed for the claymore and the claymore itself is about 37 days. Claymores and other steel weapons require a fairly significantly large infrastructure to produce them.

A cottage takes bare hands and a hammer.
A stone building takes bare hands and a trowel. A trowel takes a smelting furnace.

Yes this supports your reasoning, but
all forging is done by hand and that takes an extraordinarily long amount of time. Do you really know what goes into a hand made steel weapon?
You want steel weapons produced faster? OK, you will then get a peice of junk steel that couldn't even make a tree shake.

Wood gathering alone takes at least 34 days for a cottage.
Stone gathering alone takes at least 34 days for a building.
Then the time to build them.

And I must ask. Has any of your characters built a hall? 2 and a half
years not including mining the stone and getting or making the iron for a trowel.

And to get really picky shapukas. A bone spear taking 4 days?
It is part of the balance.
Why not just remove weapons and sheilds? Fist fights. All weapon problems you see
are solved.

Buildings are nessasary. Sheilds even. Not weapons.

I hate to even say this. Try in RL to build a reliable firearm and a house.
Hell, a sword and a house.
Which one do you think would take less time?

[shapukas]

I hate to even say this. Try in RL to build a reliable firearm and a house.
Hell, a sword and a house.
Which one do you think would take less time?

Afcourse sword will take less time.

I dont get it. Is my english so bad? I'm not against that all mashinery and tools is taking loong time to build. I'm just saying that just weapon forging takes longer the in real life. and yes i was working on hous building and yes i've saw how weapons are made and know how long those are made. And those swords were used in real combats like historical reanactments.
Yes in real life it could take 10 days to fordge a good sword. But to build a hous its takes several months. Now in cantr you make sword in half a year. I say its not realistic. And if you'' say cantr is not a real life i'll agree, but why the hel do we need pregnancy and other realistick things?

Just try yourself to build a house and forge a weapon. I just cant believ, that pilum's head could be made for 4 days. Its just imposible.

[DELGRAD]

No. Your English is fine.

You do not understand the artwork used in making
a fantastic bladed weapon.
I have had the oportunity to touch an 18th century Japanese sword.
It is my grandfathers and I had gloves on, but you can not understand untill you see and feel the steel.
That is a Cantr bladed weapon. It is not a hot forged blank or casted blade.
It is hand made. You can not reproduce that in 10 days. Real life even now, it takes Japanese smiths months to make one sword that can cost you as much as 75,000 US dollars if not more.

You also need to remember that in Cantr we are not building 21st century houses. It is 4 walls and a roof.

Just try yourself to build a house and forge a weapon. I just cant believ, that pilum's head could be made for 4 days. Its just imposible.

You also need to understand the attack power of the weapons.
I do not understand how you do not understand.
It mostly comes down to the fact that Cantr is not a kill them all slasher game.
Weapons are made expensive on purpose. Expensive means time too.
It take alot of team work to get to the point of making steel bladed weapons. Team work means RP. Cantr is RP.

And I could build a house far faster than I could even imagine making a steel bladed weapon. Wood is far easier to work with. Wood easier to work with is just number 1.

How many things do I need to tell you so you will get it?

[shapukas]

why are you talking about japanies swords? There is no such a thing in cantr. Moste weapons are from middle age of europe. And do not compere those whith katanas.

No, you still dont see my point. 10 days for cleymor? Its half cantr year. Its not some sort of katana or something....

Read at least some posts before you answer. You mistaken two diferent things. Japanies swords, yes, those should be long making. But pilums, cleymors or something like tha? And i knoew how fast a good swordsmith can make. And why brick house is just walls and roof? And i RP evrything good. Its just unreal making sword for a half a year. And i add one more time its not KATANA swords that we ar talking here.

[SekoETC]

There, now you got your own topic. But think about it, if there was some fine swords that take a long time to make and then a crude sword that does more damage, which one would people make? If production times were realistic then so should be weights. How much does a big medieval sword weight in real life? Pretty much I'd guess. While stuff like a rapier can be made lighter because it's forged to be very flexible. Actually this is a topic worth discussing but bear in mind that all changes are manually made by RD, which consists of volunteers. And people are not going to change jsut the claymore to make you happy. If one weapon was changed then several others would have to be changed as well, just to make it fair.

The average claymore ran about 140 cm (55") in overall length, with a 33 cm (13") grip, 107 cm (42") blade, and a weight of approximately 2.5 kg (5.5 lb)