Zombies!! PART 2!

[AoM]

The thing none of you realize is that I am a simple man. I don't overanalyze people's words. Sorry, I didn't grow up with a silver spoon in my mouth and go to West Point. My deductive reasoning aint up to par with you ranking officers.

I was the first to vote after the wipe, so I didn't throw in a worthless vote, I started the vote. Just because someone that has somehow been *puts up quote fingers *proven good* decides I need to pick between two people don't mean a gut check vote by me is some sort of avoidance.

I didn't like Saz when he was Leo and that has not changed since his new personality. I also don't believe Sparkle would waltz into this area late like that unless she was some sort of reinforcements. Saz jumped on her right away. That is my reasoning. As for playing it safe, exactly how dangerous can an uncleared soldier play it? What do you want from me? You want me to claim to be something I am not, will that help you? you want me to jump on a bandwagon and be the deciding vote? Sure I guess if I'm wrong, you'll be sure I played it like that.

Screw all of you. You over analyzing Sigmund-freaking-Frued wannabes. I hate you all. All I see when I look into each of your faces is some blood thirsty undead zombie.

Sounds like a sad, backed-into-a-corner zombie to me.

Bowser, we had two people claiming one unique role: Racetyme and deadboy.

Someone on the GOOD team doesn't have any reason to lie about being the Bazooka holder. Ergo, one of Racetyme and deadboy is evil.

A lynch of either Racetyme or deadboy will confirm the alignment of the other, and thus is good for the village.

A lynch of Saz tells us nothing about anyone else. You don't have to go to West Point to follow this logic.

Oh, and it's quite cute of you to throw in that bit of doubt about me being cleared. Here it is once again:

HF claims seer.

We wait for a counter claim.

No one counters. Meaning there are only two (realistic) options.

Option A: mtm21 was the real seer and HF, an evil, decided to claim seer without any way of knowing that he wouldn't be counterclaimed. This is very unlikely. (Small possibility of HF being the sorcerer (necromancer) and having viewed mtm21 as the seer on night 1, then by extreme luck, knowing that mtm21 was killed, that there would be no counter to his false claim. A very tricky scenario, but Occam's Razor suggests strongly against it.)

Option B: HF is the real seer, and no one countered because evil was afraid of revealing themselves, hoping instead that they would be able to kill HF before he could get any more information out. This is the simpler answer, and therefore the more likely.

Under option B, HF is the true seer, a good player, and had viewed me as GOOD. Since there is no power in this game that can alter the Seer's views, HF's statement that I am good must be held as true.

In either case, today is no longer about anything besides Racetyme and deadboy, because we know for a fact that one of them is evil. Choosing the evil amongst them is 50-50. Choosing the evil(s) amongst everyone else is less clear at this point, and we have only one more mislynch to give before the village loses the game.

As a good soldier, I'm determined that the village is going to win this game, so I'm suggesting to you that we go with the plan that gives us the highest percentage chance of bagging an evil today.

[saztronic]

*gives AoM a sardonic look*

I'm with you as far as Racetyme and deadboy, and your and HF's unchallenged goodness; anything beyond that, and perhaps strangely since he's voting for me at the moment, I'm with Bowser. All of your and deadboy's longwinded arguments make my head spin, and no offense, but I don't think they really hold water.

I get the feeling if I fart at the wrong time of day one of you will think monsoon season is starting tomorrow, while the other will argue the biggest drought of all time is coming, while Nakranoth will say that bananas taste nice in Trafalgar Square when the sky is green. None of them have anything to do with the other, none of them are true, and all of them make me just want to keep my mouth shut while you all proclaim knowingly about things you just don't know.

Anyway, like I said, no offense or whatever. But I guess I'm with Bowser when I say it gets on a guy's nerves.

And whatever you do, please don't respond with another long speech about your "logic."

[AoM]

Don't hate me cuz I'm beautiful.

[AoM]

Like it or not, it's long winded arguments like these that allow people to form in-game opinions. It's how the game is meant to be played. It's not supposed to be a mindless popularity contest.

[Bowser]

Guess I'd just rather lynch someone I suspect as evil than take a 50/50 shot at killing our big weapons guy. I don't think killing Bazooka Joe is worth knowing the other is a zombie.

So, when uncertainty arises, I'm going with the zombie kill that leaves a higher chance of not killing the powerful good guy... ergo Saztronic.

As for the suspected monster agreeing with me that we shouldn't jump on the Deadboy/Racetyme hatewagon, makes me think he is worried for one of his own... as am I.

[AoM]

double posted...

[AoM]

The Bazooka (Hunter) role is not a particularly powerful role. I've only once seen a Hunter victory, out of ~50 games where the role was included.

And when the Hunter role is known publicly like it is in this game, it's almost next to impossible that we'll gain the victory with him.

I'd rather lose a publicly known Hunter a thousand times over than lose the Seer, or the Coroner, or the Doctor, whose powers ultimately have much more say on whether the village wins or loses.

I'm just saying what I know from experience. Maybe I don't put things in the most convincing way, but I do know what I'm talking about.

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Bowser, for the sake of this conversation, I'm assuming that you're good, because if you're evil then none of this matters and I'm preaching to someone who ain't going to convert.

You seem fairly certain from the tone of your posts that Saztronic is evil. That's fine, but since you're not the Priest, you are without authoritative evidence. You're not going to convince the rest of the team to vote with you with only your "hunch."

We also know that out there is still quite possibly a Medic and a Coroner. Two roles that, in my opinion, are more important than the Bazooka. If you are wrong about Saztronic - as you very well could be - then you are in fact risking the deaths of those roles over the death of the Bazooka role.

And in fact, you've actually got about the same odds of hitting a good role with a saztronic vote as you would with a deadboy/Racetyme vote:

In order of certainty (from your objective point of view):

1 Evil and 1 Bazooka in:
deadboy
Racetyme

1 Seer (HF) and 1 cleared soldier (AoM):

AoM
FormerlyHF

Either Hero or identifiable evil (upon failure to protect):
Pie

That means that the Medic and the Coroner must be amongst the following group, as well as 1-2 evils(amongst the living, since mtm21 was good):

(dead)mtm21
Bowser
Saztronic
Sparkle
Nakranoth

Now again, assuming that you are good, Bowser, and are not the Medic/Coroner, then amongst Saztronic, Sparkle, and Nakranoth, there is at least one major power role for good, and potentially two.

You're playing with fire by voting Saztronic just as much as we are by voting deadboy/Racetyme. Only the cost of you getting it wrong far outweighs our own.

[Bowser]

Is it possible that HF is the necromancer and you are the traitor? Is it possible that the real Priest was the dead mtm or an unwilling to reveal silly man?

You make a lot of very good points and you pretty much have me swayed, but I'd rather take a chance on killing a good guy on my own gut than kill a good guy because some zombie tricked/convinced me to change my vote.

[saztronic]

Don't hate me cuz I'm beautiful.

Like it or not, it's long winded arguments like these that allow people to form in-game opinions.

*he smirks*

Believe me, if I was going to hate you, it wouldn't be because of your beauty.

As for long-winded arguments, they do allow people to form in-game opinions. But they can be used equally to form right or wrong opinions. And when a day drags on endlessly, so many long-winded arguments can be made that they can actually obfuscate more than they reveal.

I hear your argument, and I'm going with it for the time being. But I respect Bowser's doubts because I share them, even if I don't go with my gut this time around as he is doing.

It's your certainty which grates, I suppose, because it doesn't seem merited -- no matter how many times and in how many ways you repeat your argument, the fact remains that you could be leading us to doom with it; either because you are simply mistaken in your reasoning, or (admittedly, improbably) because you are evil and in league with FormerlyHF. Therein lies the rub.

[Nakranoth]

Certanty is nothing but chance here. We can only be certain that it's a fifty fifty shot between those two. We can't be a hundred percent certain of anything else, but saying that fifty fifty isn't the best we've got to work on is honestly stupidity.

[deadboy]

*He raises his eyebrows* Am I really that unimportant AoM?
Anyway, That's a pretty interesting point you've got there, why -did- you choose me to make a counter-claim against and not HF? If you had've made the claim against HF you could have gotten the seer killed, either during the day or the night, which would have been way more useful than killing me as the motha. I know this question doesn't hold any weight now Racetyme, but when I'm dead, as I'm pretty much destined to be, 4 - 2's a pretty damn good score for you, anyway, when you've been proved a zombie, can you answer it? I'm curious.

But yeah, AoM's right, that's pretty damning evidence for me. I'd vote for me based on it, shame, since it's gonna end up with us having a 3v2 at the very best for the good team, but never mind

[N-Aldwitch]

bowser votes saztronic
racetyme votes deadboy
AoM votes deadboy
deadboy votes racetyme
Sparkle votes deadboy
saztronic votes racetyme
Nakranoth votes deadboy

saztronic: 1 vote against
deadboy: 4 votes against
racetyme: 2 votes against

Auto-lynch in under 3 days.



edit: also, if you think you are going to be away during the lynch during nighttime, please feel free to PM me in advance if you have a power role you'd like to use.. meaning, you can put in a future request which will activate instantly upon nightfall so if you're away, I can operate the game without you.

[Bowser]

...and lastly, I am not trying to sway anyone's votes towards Saztronic. I am voting my gut and it is no way endangering a good or evil saztronic. This aint America or the two party system. This is the zombie badlands. We all vote, majority wins and we lay in the bed we made. You don't need my vote to move ahead with your plan so I'm not tossing a coin to decide where to place my name... although if I had to, I'm liking Deadboy's points against Racetyme.

A while ago, people were blackllisted for jumping on the voting bandwagon when the votes no longer matter... a safe thing for a zombie to do. I was the first to vote and if I change my vote now to a half lynched Deadboy, then what you you think of me?

I'm actually not a soldier or a zombie but in fact a squirrel and Im surrounded by nuts

[AoM]

It's your certainty which grates, I suppose, because it doesn't seem merited -- no matter how many times and in how many ways you repeat your argument, the fact remains that you could be leading us to doom with it; either because you are simply mistaken in your reasoning, or (admittedly, improbably) because you are evil and in league with FormerlyHF. Therein lies the rub.

My certainty? Hah! You think I'm bad... you should listen to some of the regulars I play with. Man... they'd drive you up a wall. It is fun to see their reactions when they find out they were dead wrong, though.

Nevertheless, I'm confident in what I'm saying and am pleased with how this day has gone thus far. A LOT more information is out for public perusal than if I had stayed quiet and humbly voted to end the day all the way back there before any reveals were out.

I'm not going to apologize for the way I play this game. Someone has to be a bloodhound, and it might as well be the villager with nothing to lose and everything to gain.

[saztronic]

I'm not going to apologize for the way I play this game.

OOC: Wasn't saying you should, nor would expect you to. That being said, I have a question about how the game is generally expected to be played. Aren't we supposed to be roleplaying something? With all of the OOC comments, arguments, etc. and our apparent a priori knowledge as characters of how many roles there are and which kinds, etc., it seems now to have devolved almost entirely into an OOC conversation. Just curious if this is normal.